# Unstable economy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2025, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774 "2025-03-23T12:37:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/47 "2025-03-31T12:22:07Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > it also has a low approval rating it seems. By 15 forum readers out of hundreds of thousands of players. You also didn’t set the poll up correctly to produce any meaningful conclusions. “Do you like the insurance mechanic” is uselessly vague. Does a ‘no’ mean it shouldn’t be in the game, or that the voter thinks it doesn’t pay out enough, or that it should cover modules and gear and not just the hull? Or simply that they don’t use it because it’s generally a waste of ISK? If you had any clue at all about game issues you’d have covered some of those options, but the best you could manage was “Do you like it? Yes/No”. Your posts are getting dumber over time (as hard as that is to picture), and reflect only your ignorance of both game and RL issues. If you need the attention this badly, just seek professional help. It will work out better for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2025, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/48 "2025-03-31T13:19:28Z")
Not asking if players like something seems dumber. For example the insurance mechanic seems to have a high disapproval rating and you never even knew. ---
**Author:** ![Angewoman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angewoman/32/425566_2.png) [@Angewoman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angewoman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/49 "2025-03-31T16:30:16Z")
Why though? There are several reasons why people may not like it in its current form . A yes or no isnt enough to go on from 15 out of thousands of people ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2025, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/50 "2025-03-31T17:19:55Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Not asking if players like something seems dumber. For example the insurance mechanic seems to have a high disapproval rating and you never even knew. There’s a difference between not liking the current setup of something, and rejecting it entirely. I think ship insurance _should_ exist. But the current system merely insures the hull. In real terms, that means you can get 60m ISK insurance payout for a 20m ISK premium…on an Eagle whose actual ‘loss’ including fittings ( which is the main part of the loss ) is 240m ISK. So really you are barely even getting back 1/4 of the loss of ‘the ship’. That is why I suggest an additional _optional_ higher premium rate to insure the full cost. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/51 "2025-04-02T13:24:23Z")
The point of putting something for sale is to make ISK so when you are charged money before you have sold anything it kind of defeats the purpose of putting something for sale and just to be clear nobody knows what the price of something is and they don’t know if they are going to sell what they put for sale until it has sold. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/52 "2025-04-02T14:28:45Z")
Incorrect, most people know the value of items they sell. You can easily check price history, existing buy and sell offers and various prices elsewhere in the game with appraisal or market tools to get a good idea of the approximate price you can ask for an item to sell in a reasonable amount of time. Or just try to sell cheaper than the other sell orders. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/53 "2025-04-02T14:29:31Z")
Dont tax a sale until it has taken place ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/54 "2025-04-02T14:30:15Z")
You get taxed for setting up the order on purpose, the game has gotten so much better when that was added. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/55 "2025-04-02T14:31:17Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Incorrect, most people know the value of items they sell. Clearly youve never tried to sell anything in EVE. For example i made drake navy issues and put it up for 189M, one of them sold, the other one didnt. Two days later the price was 162M. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/56 "2025-04-02T14:33:15Z")
People totally know the price of a drake navy issue 🙂 Its somewhere between 160M and 250M. Good luck ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/d/3/8d328a9a8407f0aec12b2d3a2e9fd481a8e0ef17.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/57 "2025-04-02T14:37:46Z")
So what would be a safe price to ask? Close to 160M or 250M ISK? And what would be a greedy yet risky price to ask? The market isn’t that hard to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/58 "2025-04-02T14:39:06Z")
Caldari Navy Anti-matter charge M price.. Somewhere between 400 and 875 isk.. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/d/d/9ddf36f843e7a5f471140386983675db7d94af3b.jpeg) Normal anti-matter charge price? Somewhere between 50 and 160 isk. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/c/31cf4ee7036b4edd27e6c319af606b020fcd0063.jpeg) But dont let this evidence stop you Gerad ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/59 "2025-04-02T14:41:28Z")
Evidence? You’re showing me the most obvious graphs that show items **sell within price ranges.** Try to pick a sell price low within that price range if you want to sell fast. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/60 "2025-04-02T14:41:48Z")
The price of Navy ammo, modules and ships depends on how many mission runners are out there grinding LP… ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/61 "2025-04-02T14:42:14Z")
You have never tried to use a sell order it seems ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/62 "2025-04-02T14:42:56Z")
First time interacting with a game economy? ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/63 "2025-04-02T14:44:06Z")
Do people get a refund on broker fees if an item they put for sale didnt sell? Or should they have to pay a fee again to lower the price? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/64 "2025-04-02T14:44:28Z")
They pay the fee again. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/65 "2025-04-02T14:45:47Z")
Just like in RL when you return an item, you either have to pay to ship back to the seller or they charge you a restocking fee. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unstable-economy/480774/66 "2025-04-02T14:45:53Z")
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