# Upcoming Changes to Drone Aggression **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pve, drones\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713 "2020-11-25T12:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/229 "2020-11-25T15:12:32Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I paid a subscription, and other multiboxers do that too, fix your ignorance. Why the hell do you need so much Isk then? To replace an Ishtar in case one gets blown up? Doesn’t make sense. If you need isk to PvP, then it makes much more sense to buy and sell Plex than to sub more accounts to generate Isk. Ridiculous… ---
**Author:** ![Nindae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nindae/32/297544_2.png) [@Nindae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nindae)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/230 "2020-11-25T15:13:01Z")
Again you did not think it over. Bots are not affected, as they use external stuff. Good idea could be to force players not go AFK. Point taken. BUT You did not think how to handle heavy EWAR sites without aggressive drone setting. How should player order the drones to attack NPC when he cannot target them? ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/231 "2020-11-25T15:13:23Z")
Or you could make an army of bot who act like human and don’t be detect… We do it for a lot of things in industry actually and it work. Other case you will have 0 bot in social media, MMO etc… and it’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Broker26](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/broker26/32/234032_2.png) [@Broker26](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Broker26)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/232 "2020-11-25T15:13:52Z")
thats true. you’ll be able to spot the bots because they’ll be the only ones ratting. the people will be monitoring their high&null bots while they watch netflix. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/233 "2020-11-25T15:15:23Z")
I’m waiting for the first hunter tears because no ratter is AFK anymore and hunters can’t find easy prey any longer. The first guy already shed some delicious tears this morning. Let’s wait and see how the rest of them responds when they find no more targets because they just warp out as they actually see the hostile come in. 😂 And let’s not forget that drones now have a rage boner for players. I would say that drones now go for the players 100% of the time on the first attack just like NPC love to switch aggro. This will be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Soldier\_Forrester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldier_forrester/32/404576_2.png) [@Soldier\_Forrester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldier_Forrester)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/234 "2020-11-25T15:17:13Z")
wow, it’s almost as if players now have to think about which NPCs they are going to face to actually adapt to their ewar instead of using the same ship for everything ECM - Sensor booster with ECCM TDs - use missiles neuts - stay out of range / use passive fits ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/235 "2020-11-25T15:17:17Z")
I have already see some hunter start to cry beacause after stealing some ESS people back to HS or stop play so they have less content. When player will massive unsub and trust in CCP will reach 0… i wait tears of CCP member when they will be fire (for no more money in the compagny and/or PA remove they to send a team to make ev great again) ---
**Author:** ![Nunnery\_Michigan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nunnery_michigan/32/434570_2.png) [@Nunnery\_Michigan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nunnery_Michigan)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/236 "2020-11-25T15:17:39Z")
> [@Pawiie](#): > > Where is the reward?? Where is the Carrot?? > It’s been all fcking stick this year… and not just as the normal 2020 gives us the stick, but our favorite pass-time through almost 2 decades… Do the same thing for the miners drones. No more afk orcas in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Brinkhoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_brinkhoff/32/473862_2.png) [@Paul\_Brinkhoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Brinkhoff)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/237 "2020-11-25T15:18:56Z")
I took a shower and thought about this whole thing. I think it is bad for the game. Why? Because it discourages human ppl being active and out there in 00 space. You either switch to bots, do something that does not require you to be in space, like PI, or move on to a capital, in order to keep the game playable for you. This is bad. Really bad. Because it kills content. It funnels the 00 content towards megablob vs megablob and hurts smallgang, making the game less diverse. The problem with anom ratting is not that the drones auto aggro, the problem is that it is ■■■■■■■ boring and no sane person will do it in sub capitals when it requires active participation. So in order to fix it, anoms should be reworked. Not drones. The sad part about this is, that the community is asking for an anom rework for ages. Not for ■■■■ like this. But hey, Im sure we’ll get some pointless UI changes in the process aswell, so all good. ---
**Author:** ![shvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shvo/32/296324_2.png) [@shvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/shvo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/238 "2020-11-25T15:19:45Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > O\_o the whole foundation of eve is based around active players being caught by other players. It is very possible trust me. > > At best it only takes around 5 seconds to D-scan a player in an anom from jumping the gate at worst about 30. Yes and it takes over 30 seconds for active play to hit warp button. So you can clearly tackle everything everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Brinkhoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_brinkhoff/32/473862_2.png) [@Paul\_Brinkhoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Brinkhoff)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/239 "2020-11-25T15:20:43Z")
> [@shvo](#): > > Yes and it takes over 30 seconds for active play to hit warp button. So you can clearly tackle everything everywhere. So better kill drone aggro and force players to not be in space with as many ships or go bot? How does this solve the issue? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/240 "2020-11-25T15:20:47Z")
Ive seen no issues regarding aggression outside of the bugs where sometimes the code reverts to passive and requires you to toggle it off and on again in order to function correctly, but that is a long standing bug they never really resolved Outside of that i’ve not encountered any specific issues ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/241 "2020-11-25T15:21:03Z")
If we have to actively tell our drones to attack NPCs moving forward, can you at least tone down the NPC aggression towards drones as well? Seems like it would be a nice balance. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/242 "2020-11-25T15:21:12Z")
Obviously the most vigilant ratter will never be caught if he is always aligned and warps as soon as someone enters local and all that but after 8 hours of doing that humans make mistakes they slow down. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/243 "2020-11-25T15:23:35Z")
vigilant ratter get caught everyday. just open zkill. After you have good and bad hunter. Sometimes i continue to farm with hunter in local … beacause i know they are so bad they will not catch me. They just warp to a random anomaly, cry im a pussy beacause dock (if they have use D-scan they will have see i m in space), and change system. You could think it’s a minority of hunter … but it’s a majority. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/244 "2020-11-25T15:25:55Z")
Zkill does not show their state of mind, if they where distracted by a video on their screen next to them or if they where eating or something, ratting in null is super safe until the ratter makes a mistake which is often. ---
**Author:** ![Greed\_TT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/greed_tt/32/454235_2.png) [@Greed\_TT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Greed_TT)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/245 "2020-11-25T15:26:27Z")
This can only kill normal people, not the robots ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/246 "2020-11-25T15:27:01Z")
CCP didn’t make it for bots they made it so that players don’t afk play their game in nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/247 "2020-11-25T15:27:43Z")
But its a buff to botting and RMT. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/248 "2020-11-25T15:27:55Z")
Not at all, why would someone that invested lots of hours and hours turn all that into a bot which put’s their account at risk? If someone wanted to make a bot they would just do it from a different character. And even then it could probably be traced back and they end up loosing their real account too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=13)