# Upcoming Changes to Drone Aggression **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pve, drones\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713 "2020-11-25T12:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Fonsini\_Santy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fonsini_santy/32/242717_2.png) [@Fonsini\_Santy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fonsini_Santy)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/804 "2020-11-26T13:08:49Z")
Well done CCP! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hamoud\_Hibra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamoud_hibra/32/236072_2.png) [@Hamoud\_Hibra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamoud_Hibra)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/805 "2020-11-26T13:11:08Z")
> [@SleepLacker](#): > > Already wrong on step 1. > > If Jhonny that multiboxes 10 accounts stops playing because he’s outraged by the change, then other players will take his spot ratting, because it’s litteraly free real state for them. > > If Player A can’t do activity X anymore because their playstyle got nerfed, then players B, C, D… X, Z can take their spot if they aren’t willing to adapt. > > Null alliances have thousands of players, so there’s definitely plenty of players in there who will be glad there’s more free anoms to rat in that aren’t already taken by Jhonny001, Jhonny002, Jhonny007, and so on. This is obviously written by someone who has never acctually played in Null. 70-80% of systems, possibly more, almost have very little ratting occur. look at dotlan, and look at NPC kills, here is a link to Oasa, the HIGHEST RATTED region. [Map: Oasa - DOTLAN :: EveMaps](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Oasa#npc24) Half the systems only have a handful of kills, while some systmes have 10’s of thousands. now look at somewhere like Deklein [Map: Deklein - DOTLAN :: EveMaps](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein#npc24) and you can see half the systems there have 0 NPC kills. There is PLENTY of space for people to go rat now, there arn’t going to be people who “Now get to rat” there is already PLENTY of space to go rat, but noone is doing it NOW, let alone after this change. ---
**Author:** ![DerpFromAbove](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derpfromabove/32/242668_2.png) [@DerpFromAbove](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DerpFromAbove)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/806 "2020-11-26T13:11:19Z")
Well said good sir 🙂 And **when** their main money making avenue (i.e. industry or abyssals) gets hit next, they’ll be the ones crying about how unfair this is. Bloody hypocrites, ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/807 "2020-11-26T13:20:24Z")
> [@DerpFromAbove](#): > > Elaborate why basically eliminating one of the main moneymaking avenues is good for the game. > I mean you do realize all the fun stuff (pvp) needs to be paid for somehow? > > And no, the argument “you can do something other than ratting” does not work here, because: You can do some PvP other than expensive battleships or capitals. Do veterans seriously forget you can get into a cheap throwaway frigate and still PvP? Capital ships aren’t supposed to be printed out every other day, you know? ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/808 "2020-11-26T13:25:13Z")
While I welcome the drone changes, you are wrong in considering why some regions have few NPC kills. First, the simple fact that the system is a place of transit and simply too dangerous. Second, more importantly, over -0.6 there are simply too few combat sites to do normally. Meaning, once there is a single ship in there, it’s over and you have to find new space or make less attractive sites. And by less attractive I mean 6-7M bounties that you get. It’s not worth it for normal players. Think about it. If you have 2-3 accounts, then you either have to put them all in different systems, watch local 2-3 times, loot and salvager travel back and forth, or all in one site, which is both stupid. I know they are not first world problems, I just wanted to say why it is so. ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/809 "2020-11-26T13:28:02Z")
> [@Hamoud\_Hibra](#): > > This is obviously written by someone who has never acctually played in Null. 70-80% of systems, possibly more, almost have very little ratting occur. Geez, I wonder why… It’s almost as if these empty systems aren’t upgraded and/or don’t have anomalies worth ratting in. ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/810 "2020-11-26T13:35:32Z")
> [@DerpFromAbove](#): > > And **when** their main money making avenue (i.e. industry or abyssals) gets hit next, they’ll be the ones crying about how unfair this is. Bloody hypocrites, Industry is already mostly unviable due to the sheer number of alpha characters flooding the market with stuff. Not even T2 rigs are worth making anymore, when they were still a thing a year ago. As for abyssal, I wonder if you have done that content recently. New marshall, sansha and angel spawns can be brutal if you aren’t prepared to deal with them immediatedly. Don’t even make me mention the tessera rooms… That’s the end game PvE content that many people have requested in this thread to be shoved into anomalies and missions too. It will be funny to see these same people coming to complain when that actually happens and PvE becomes harder and more dynamic, having to adapt to random scenarios on the go iinstead of being able to know what anoms and missions entail beforehand, and they aren’t able to blitz throught them anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Hamoud\_Hibra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamoud_hibra/32/236072_2.png) [@Hamoud\_Hibra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamoud_Hibra)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/811 "2020-11-26T13:44:35Z")
> [@SleepLacker](#): > > Geez, I wonder why… > > It’s almost as if these empty systems aren’t upgraded and/or don’t have anomalies worth ratting in. Yeah, Because none uses them. It’s not hard to upgrade them if you want those anomalies. clearing 4-5 Havens a day gets it up to and maintains it at 4. ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/812 "2020-11-26T13:49:41Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > It’s not automation. > Drone start targeting, when you start targeting =\> Not an automation at all, it permit to you’re drone to engage as fast as now a target … and it’s one of the interest of drone boat… it’s an hard nerf for active player to remove that. Okay, I can definitely get behind this idea. As drones are kind of a separate entity from your ship, they should be able to target stuff on their own and attack, as long as you command them to do so. For gameplay, the player could select a target in their overview, press F, and then the drones are responsible for targetting and attacking it, instead of the main ship having to target it beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/814 "2020-11-26T13:56:18Z")
And it counter a lot of issue with ECM counter of NPC, time of targeting for shipt, lack of skill for targeting for newbro etc… So we hit only AFK people ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/815 "2020-11-26T13:56:40Z")
> [@Hamoud\_Hibra](#): > > Yeah, Because none uses them. It’s not hard to upgrade them if you want those anomalies. clearing 4-5 Havens a day gets it up to and maintains it at 4. Same kind of thought process as Orca posted previously. A whole system isn’t supposed to be maintained by a single player. It can be done, but it will be extremely taxing to do so, specially when other people notice it and come to take advantage of your hard work for free. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/816 "2020-11-26T13:57:58Z")
I agree with Solstice, anything that allows afk play is currently being nerfed, so unlikely to pass the CCP plan atm ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/817 "2020-11-26T14:02:11Z")
But the exeption i propose on the mechanic don’t permit to “Afk play” beacause you need to ask you’re drone to target the opposite ship. You just don’t need to target it with you’re ship. So we maintain the fact drone could fire on a ship you haven’t target : Permit to maintain drone lock time (who is faster than BS for exemple), and to avoid issue of few target mangement for new player … and last thing you counter NPC ewar. All of this with 0 change of actual fit, or loss of time , or nothing for active player. Current change means you need to change thing at minimum for active player (more time to make anom with same ship, change fitting etc…) who means ont thing : NERF ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/818 "2020-11-26T14:08:02Z")
> [@SleepLacker](#): > > Okay, I can definitely get behind this idea. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > You just don’t need to target it with you’re ship. @Mike_Azariah Could you pass this idea on? I think it’s a pretty cool feature for drones, but I’m not sure if in this case, “cool” means “overpowered”. Should reward active gameplay for drone boats and be fairly mechanic friendly for what drones are supposed to be, as long as you are directly controlling and ordering them. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/819 "2020-11-26T14:16:31Z")
Hmmmm its a bit different, Ill grant you. ---
**Author:** ![Nimrodz2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nimrodz2/32/409598_2.png) [@Nimrodz2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nimrodz2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/820 "2020-11-26T14:29:08Z")
@CCP_Paradox, Hey so I get why you did this. As the game has a aging player base, me being one, I wonder if you thought about that. I think the pve aspect is really a drag and while currently I can play while doing other work. I know that’s not ideal but while to be honest some people comments are on point. You are kind of yet again hurting a lot of isk generation in null as it is. Please take another look at this. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/821 "2020-11-26T14:33:37Z")
In fact it’s goal of this change. And let be honest, it’s a good change to stop afk farm, it’s ask since years to make a revalorisation of other farm ship. BUT it was ask inan other time, when you could make a lot more isk/time… Goal of CCP is actually to drasticly reduce all income generation by all way they can. It’s just one more step, with that they nerf multiboxer. But yes side effect is : they totally not understand the era of chaos take te risk to be era of end of EVE when pandemy and the massive war will end … ---
**Author:** ![Hlamon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hlamon/32/241936_2.png) [@Hlamon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hlamon)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/822 "2020-11-26T15:07:29Z")
I don’t see any problem with this. We need to press F1 every time we select new target, why drones must be different? Boring gameplay is another issue, I hope one day we will have shift from boring grind to more dynamic and engaging PvE content. P.S. How long we will have Gila’s in current form? I feel hard nerf is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/823 "2020-11-26T15:12:06Z")
So CCP just made a nurf pandemic in 2020…LOL… They nurf Mining, Hauling, Moon mining, 20% nurf to all resistance modules, Nurf the bounty system, and many more. They just need some money. They just want us to buy more plex… 🙂 jeje ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/824 "2020-11-26T15:18:57Z")
The plex argument is a fake argument. Beacause if everyonne buy plex , plewx price will shut down, and it’s not good, beacause less the plex cost, less incensitive you have to buy one. No but i think they will release a new subscription soon (omega plus ?) who permit to you to revert all change for you’re chracter … divide by 10 what ESS take from you, you can’t win less than 95% of normal bounty of npc, you will have access to special belt (other play could go in), with all ore, but only omega+ could mine inside. Same kind of anom pve for other plauer; where peole without the sub will earn 0 isk if they done it. And +20 % of benefic effect for all you’re item. Remimber this, it will happen soon. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=41)