# Upcoming Changes to Drone Aggression **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pve, drones\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713 "2020-11-25T12:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1735 "2020-12-04T07:18:40Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > minute where u cant target all the rocks Why are you trying to target 5 rocks at a time? That’s inefficient mining. Also you have 7 locks! 7! You can target 5 rocks, and 2 rats, if 7 is really too low, fit a module to increase your number of locks, they exist. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > more time micro managing Once every 15 minutes locking a few targets is not micromanaging. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > idk but i have rats like every 5 minutes in my 0.5 belts Why are you editing hour old posts to reply. And boo hoo, every 5 minutes still is not micromanaging. Micromanaging is a lot more constant than that. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I need to target them to order my miners to mine them. What mining drones, you have combat drones out in order to kill the rats right now remember… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1736 "2020-12-04T07:19:35Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Their damage adds up over time even on 300k ehp+. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/6/7672ac5135d9f9c12d89e939b8d4cff3441d7072.jpeg) I am literally afk mining in high sec with an Orca right now, you are wrong. Passive shield regen has kept me at 93% for the last EIGHT hours. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Yes u can ignore them and deal with them when doing targetting new rocks but that involves loosing like a minute where u cant target all the rocks 1. train better skills 2. train better skills ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1737 "2020-12-04T07:22:26Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Once every 15 minutes locking a few targets is not micromanaging. idk but i have rats like every 5 minutes in my 0.5 belts > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Why are you trying to target 5 rocks at a time? > That’s inefficient mining. I need to target them to order my miners to mine them. then i have time to afk. this afk timeframe is then shortened by the minute or so i would have to deal with rats due to uber long target locks. Its just an annoyance i dont understand why i would have to deal with. Again, also its not only about orcas. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1738 "2020-12-04T07:23:15Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > idk but i have rats like every 5 minutes You are either 1) lying, or 2) your fit is garbage. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I need to target them to order my miners to mine them. Train better skills. My Orca can target 10 rocks at a time. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1739 "2020-12-04T07:32:05Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You are either 1) lying, or 2) your fit is garbage. Does my fit affect rat spawn timers? …Honestly i never tried to ignore rats for hours on end, maybe i should. But i have seen them burning through my passive regen in a very solid fit. Idk if that stops at a certain amount of shield but hay lets give it a try. So yeah, i have to double check if the orca causa is closed, still my displeasure with this change is not caused by affect on orcas only. Also, honest question: if you ignore rats, will more of them spawn and do they stack up? or is it only 1 spawn forever? > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Train better skills. My Orca can target 10 rocks at a time. kool, you seem to care about me now?^^ ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1740 "2020-12-04T07:33:17Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Does my fit affect rat spawn timers? > …Honestly i never tried to ignore rats for hours on end, maybe i should. But i have seen them burning through my passive regen in a very solid fit. Idk if that stops at a certain amount of shield but hay lets give it a try. > So yeah, i have to double check if the orca causa is closed, still my displeasure with this change is not caused by affect on orcas only. Here are my ACTUAL incoming DPS numbers for roughly the last 8 hours. Are you telling me your Orca cannot handle an average of 1.6 damage per second? Peak of 5 damage per second. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/9/b9ef46596b15e9fa0c7241c4d1472a9a6db793b4.png) ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1741 "2020-12-04T07:35:15Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Are you telling me your Orca cannot handle an average of 1.6 damage per second? As i said i never tried to ignore rats for 8 hours. And even if you can ignore rats because they dont spawn stack its not all about orcas. But hay at least you care and stopped calling me an immature child with an half functioning brain and actually engange in a discussion like a grown up…see? it works wonders. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1742 "2020-12-04T07:37:30Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > its not all about orcas. See, the problem there is that you actually implied that belt rats pose a threat to Orcas when you claimed: > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Their damage adds up over time even on 300k ehp+. With you trying to imply that this Drone Aggression change is bad because it could even cause Orcas (with 300k ehp+) to die from rats, which is a terrible idea that is also objectively wrong. Now you’re desperately trying to back pedal after getting called out on it with actual numbers. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1743 "2020-12-04T07:42:05Z")
Yes from all my observations their damage adds up. Thats why i never even tried to ignore them for 8 hours. But if your sure that passive shield regen makes it so u can ignore them forever and their spawns dont stack up…and in general u can just entirely ignore belt rats in an orca cuz nothing will ever happen…great, i learned something. I would have to double check since i doubt your argueing over the cause but only to for whatever reason to discredit me but hey if ur right then great the orca causa is closed. I still dislike the change for the other reasons i gave above tho. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1744 "2020-12-04T07:45:10Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Yes from all my observations their damage adds up. Thats why i never even tried to ignore them for 8 hours. But if your sure that passive shield regen makes it so u can ignore them forever and **their spawns dont stack up** So if you admit this, then what were you trying to say when you said: > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > idk but i have rats like every 5 minutes in my 0.5 belts this? Are you suggesting that you have **new** rats spawning “like every 5 minutes” in your belts and stacking? Or were you already aware that once rats spawn, new ones don’t spawn “like every 5 minutes” and were intentionally trying to argue a position you knew was false? > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I would have to double check since i doubt your argueing over the cause but only to for whatever reason to discredit me but hey if ur right then great the orca causa is closed. Here’s a fact: the issue is closed. Glad you could finally admit it without resorting to bs claims that aren’t backed up with any evidence. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I still dislike the change for the other reasons i gave above tho. So you’re just crying like a baby because you can’t AFK, cool. That’s part of the intended change. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1745 "2020-12-04T07:46:51Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Does my fit affect rat spawn timers? > …Honestly i never tried to ignore rats for hours on end, maybe i should. But i have seen them burning through my passive regen in a very solid fit. Idk if that stops at a certain amount of shield but hay lets give it a try. What you faced might have been special diamond rat NPCs, that spawn in a system with a pirate forward operating base. Those are dangerous even for an Orca, so be sure to check your agency window to see if there’s a pirate FOB in your system, under the Encounters tab. The average belt rats can’t damage a properly tanked procurer enough, so an Orca is even less of an issue. If you never touch them, they will stick around and keep trying to kill you to no avail, until they get bored and warp out, which usually happens during the time you warp away to drop off the ore at a station. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1746 "2020-12-04T07:49:00Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Are you suggesting that you have **new** rats spawning “like every 5 minutes” in your belts and stacking? No i am used to clear my belt rats whenever i target new rocks. By drag and dropping out a hobgoblin. Not by untargetting my rocks to drag out my hobgoblin to then wait for my target lock timers to then press engage inbefore waiting for the individual rats to die to repeat 3 or 4 times…to only than target my rocks again. So yes, i have new rats spawning like ( i dont know exactly i didnt timestamped it) every 5 minutes or something. Because my auto agression drone clears them easy. And my question was: wether or not rat spawns DO stack up like if i ignore one spawn does another come on top of it? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1747 "2020-12-04T07:51:39Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > No i am used to clear my belt rats whenever i target new rocks. By drag and dropping out a hobgoblin. Not by untargetting my rocks to drag out my hobgoblin to then wait for my target lock timers to then press engage times inbetween waiting for the individual rats to die to repeat 3 or 4 times… I’m saying this 3 times now to you. Train better skills. Your Orca by default can lock 7 targets. That’s 5 rocks + 2 rats. Here’s proof: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/e/beb090cbdd4b2b46c2039c00b55b9aa065fc5408.png) You can increase this with modules. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > And my question was: wether or not rat spawns DO stack up like if i ignore one spawn does another come on top of it? The answer is: As far as the topic of Drone Aggression is concerned (as is the main topic of this forum thread) **it doesn’t matter.** Hope that answers your question. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1748 "2020-12-04T07:58:15Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Your Orca by default can lock 7 targets. > That’s 5 rocks + 2 rats. > Here’s proof: I allready specifically answered that, so > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Do you have trouble reading? here i go again: > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I need to target them to order my miners to mine them. then i have time to afk. this afk timeframe is then shortened by the minute or so i would have to deal with rats due to uber long target locks. Its just an annoyance i dont understand why i would have to deal with. Again, also its not only about orcas. I think i layed out my problem enough by now. It makes mining, an underpayed, very boring activity which allready suffers from the heaviest botting competition in the game even more tedious, thus even more attractive to cheat. Besides mining it also affects other areas of the game where idk wtf the problem is with, especially for non multiboxers and especially for newer players. Again i am all for nerfing multiboxers, cheaters and lowering the total amount of isk in the game. I do think however nerfing all the drones across the board is a very cheap approach. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1749 "2020-12-04T08:21:55Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I think i layed out my problem enough by now No, your explanation is wrong, doesn’t reflect reality, and once rats are attacking you, you can’t simply drag out a hobgoblin to auto attack them anyway, so you clearly either are responding as soon as they spawn, in which case you aren’t afk so why mine in such an inefficient way, or you are already manual targetting them. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I do think however nerfing all the drones across the board is a very cheap approach. Drones have not been nerfed across the board, one specific ability that targets afk gameplay has been nerfed, a type of gameplay you are SPECIFICALLY admitting to, therefore you are the target group here, but even in your case it doesn’t impact you like you claim it does. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1750 "2020-12-04T08:27:22Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > so you clearly either are responding as soon as they spawn, sometimes i do, sometimes i dont, its one click and my hob takes care and i can do other stuff. i barely ever target belt rats. yes true i noticed sometimes they wont for whatever reason, i than have to press target once on one of them. thats one additional click in rare circumstances. thats not the same as untargetting, retargetting, press engange, waiting for them to die, repeat. U know thats exactly the unnecessary annoyance and difference in walking past ur screen pressing a few buttons or sitting down like a minute. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Drones have not been nerfed across the board, one specific ability that targets afk gameplay has been nerfed as allready quoted above and explained by way more experienced players than me, it does in all sort of active playstyles and not only afk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1751 "2020-12-04T08:50:31Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > This is wrong. It will decrease my outgoing DPS in gila abyss and force me to actively manage my combat drone while the only thing i wanna do is semi afk mine In what way is it wrong? You just said you afk in your Gila; I said if you manage drones (aka not afk) you wont see a difference. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > And i am sure this is a nerf to many, many more active gameplay scenarios aswell it does NOT only affect semi afk. But you just cant think of them just now, huh? > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > the point is i am brain afk from the game. Maybe you should find a game more suited to your lack of interest then. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1752 "2020-12-04T08:53:58Z")
how to quote parts out of context intentionally I never said i am afk in my gila. I quoted some of those scenarios others have described in detail. I said i am brain afk WHEN mining. have fun clicking the lil up arrow. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1753 "2020-12-04T08:56:57Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I never said i am afk in my gila. Yes, you did. In your reply to me. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I quoted some of those scenarios others have described in detail. Not in your reply to me you didnt > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > I said i am brain afk WHEN mining. And what? If this is so bad, why dont you show CCP who’s boss and stop playing until they give you free isk for doing nothing again? ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1754 "2020-12-04T09:05:31Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yes, you did. In your reply to me. No. i said i will loose dps in my gila and i will now have to micro manage my combat drones when the only thing is i wanna do is afk **mine**. And yes i will loose DPS in my gila every second i wait for new target locks, missmanage my drones or simply lag or > [@SibSpi](#): > > […] or > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > […] or all the other scenarios people have gone through in this thread > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And what? this > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > It makes mining, an underpayed, very boring activity which allready suffers from the heaviest botting competition in the game even more tedious, thus even more attractive to cheat. > Besides mining it also affects other areas of the game where idk wtf the problem is with, especially for non multiboxers and especially for newer players. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > why dont you show CCP who’s boss and stop playing until they give you free isk for doing nothing again? has nothing to do with “beeing boss” but yes, i said that in my original post about the matter > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > If you force me to do it active i will just quit doing it and thus spend significantly less time in your game. > And no: i wont p2w the bots to do it for me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=75) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=77)