# Upcoming Changes to Drone Aggression **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pve, drones\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713 "2020-11-25T12:48:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![StuRyan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sturyan/32/244322_2.png) [@StuRyan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StuRyan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1795 "2020-12-04T13:01:00Z")
I reiterate: Ratting is being active. Pressing F does not make me more active. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1796 "2020-12-04T13:01:49Z")
It does make it far more active compared to people who do not press F … … and just have the client running AFK all day, with their drones farming spawning NPCs. Like Orcas in COSMOS sites, but not just Orcas in COSMOS sites. ---
**Author:** ![StuRyan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sturyan/32/244322_2.png) [@StuRyan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StuRyan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1797 "2020-12-04T13:04:48Z")
Are you’ve just identified the root cause of the problem ccp should be addressing not the blanket approach that will hurt the average player. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1798 "2020-12-04T13:30:24Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > hurt the average player How? Manually controlled drones equates to less drone loss and damage and more efficent application of DPS on the required target. There are far far more instances where manual control is superior. The average player is not hurt by this change. ---
**Author:** ![StuRyan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sturyan/32/244322_2.png) [@StuRyan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StuRyan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1799 "2020-12-04T13:37:58Z")
Because the average player probably uses more than one account to rat to make enough isk to enjoy other part of the game instead of spending 10 hours to rat enough isk to buy a doctrine ship. “There are far far more instances where manual control is superior.” You mean carrier ratting versus using 3 or 4 drone boats to make the same amount of ISK? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1800 "2020-12-04T13:42:40Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > Because the average player probably uses more than one account So what? Why does the fact that multiboxing is easy for AFK players to do considered an excuse to keep AFK play easy? Here’s a hint; its not, its another reason why this is a good idea. > [@StuRyan](#): > > You mean I mean what I say; the vast majority of play that involves drones that isnt afk is superior when its manual. > [@StuRyan](#): > > amount of ISK The volume of isk is not a measure for superiority, especially when the stated goal is to reduce non-attentive and/or AFK play. Of course its going to nerf AFK ratting income, thats the point. But if you arent just dropping drones and letting them do everything for you, then this change will either not affect you or it will be a slight inconvenience to what you are used to. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1801 "2020-12-04T15:08:03Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > It’s like bears and farmers are deliberately ignoring/changing this part because it addresses them directly. Null bears don’t read posts or dev blogs. They are only capable of interpreting information that they digest when suckling their masters teat. If it’s not fed to them by leadership, they literally cannot comprehend it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1802 "2020-12-04T15:28:29Z")
It’s even a general phenomenon covering apparently all bears … … where reality is defined by their thoughts, not by reality itself. Bears have far too many 1984 vibes and I really hate that. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1803 "2020-12-04T15:29:42Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > Because the average player probably uses more than one account to rat to make enough isk to enjoy other part of the game You’re defending keeping the broken thing broken because ‘the average player’ does it. That’s not good enough. A lot of people play EVE in a very broken way to the point that EVE is a very broken game. That’s not good enough. Something needs to change and ‘but muh Carrier’ is not a good enough reason not to change it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1804 "2020-12-04T15:32:22Z")
> [@Miranda\_Farron](#): > > ‘but muh Carrier’ is not a good enough reason not to change it. Oh you mustve missed it. Now its “Muh 4 x Carriers, this is unfreedum” ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1805 "2020-12-04T16:09:06Z")
So it boild down to them selling the game as “An open sandbox, where you can play the way that you want\*” \*so long as the way that you want, is the way we approve of. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1806 "2020-12-04T17:16:04Z")
Well…Yeah. They aren’t going to let you play the game in a way they disapprove of are they? That’s why poor gameplay gets nerfed or even banned. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1807 "2020-12-04T17:41:42Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > do we need you crapping up every post with stuff like this \>When you get called out in a thread so you have to run away to a second thread, lmao ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1808 "2020-12-04T17:48:01Z")
Sort of like the old model T, where you could get it in any color you wanted, so long as that color was black? ---
**Author:** ![StuRyan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sturyan/32/244322_2.png) [@StuRyan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StuRyan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1809 "2020-12-04T20:04:30Z")
I’m reading the replies and I’m still not seeing a single argument for this change where I think, yes I can now see why they are making the change. We’ve gone from. 1. Wanting to increase attentive gameplay 2. decrease low or no attention gameplay 3. reduce the farmers income 4. reduced the multiboxes 5. Current way of playing is broken It seems a lot of people are deeming pressing F as an increase in attentive gameplay, a way to reduce farming, a way to reduce farmers and this will fix the game. Never heard so much bollocks in my life. dull game play is dull game play, it’s still going to be low attention gameplay only now you have to push F whilst at the same time reducing the number of potential targets to hunt. You lot need a lesson in correlation and causality and more understanding around discovering the root cause of a problem. And by the way, low attentive game play isn’t the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1810 "2020-12-04T20:05:13Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > **I’m still not seeing a single argument** for this change where I think, yes I can now see why they are making the change You’re refusing to accept CCP’s argument for the change, which is the only one that matters, what do you expect? CCP literally told you and you went, “no, there’s gotta be another reason!” ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/e/4e8c2cd8a4ba5b013953b007980c16cfd21cb953.png) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1811 "2020-12-04T20:29:36Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > I reiterate: > > Ratting is being active. Pressing F does not make me more active. > [@CCP\_Paradox](#): > > We are making this change to ensure that NPC killing activities move closer towards attentive player interactions and rely much less on low or no attention gameplay. Attentive, not active. It isn’t about clicks-per-second (or some other measure of activity), it’s about actually paying attention to the game as it’s being played. Ratting provides good income with the trade off now, that drone boat pilots will need to be as attentive to the game as someone using a different weapons system. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1812 "2020-12-04T20:31:35Z")
You may not agree with CCP but no one gives a crap. That IS the reason. I know it’s a shock that the world isn’t filled with people that agree with you, but you had to grow up someday. ---
**Author:** ![StuRyan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sturyan/32/244322_2.png) [@StuRyan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StuRyan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1813 "2020-12-04T20:42:46Z")
If ratting wasn’t a boring grind, a grind that is necessary to compete in the more interesting forms of the game players wouldn’t use afk drone boats to run them. I’m not ignoring what CCP wants to do, however, forcing people to sit and press F isn’t making the game more attentive. drone AFK boats make, on average, the same as a ratting missile boat does. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713/1814 "2020-12-04T20:48:24Z")
> [@StuRyan](#): > > forcing people No one is being forced. Everyone can do something else or quit any time. Many of us here really _wish_ people would actually realize they should just quit … … instead of wasting time and energy whining about it, while achieving literally _nothing_. You, to be fair, don’t seem to be whining. You’re just … hm … slow, I guess. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=78) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-drone-aggression/281713.md?page=80)