# Upcoming DBS floor to be changed to 100% **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 21, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354 "2022-10-21T23:39:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/26 "2022-10-22T09:57:41Z")
Thats true AND I benefit from other people doing it so yeah its not all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/27 "2022-10-22T09:58:33Z")
In purely economical sense it does not however allowing an account to plex itself basically almost passively and have a surplus income with everything you do being on top of that is **massively** OP ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/28 "2022-10-22T10:00:04Z")
> [@Azalais\_Selenica](#): > > allowing an account to plex itself basically almost passively and have a surplus income with everything you do being on top of that is **massively** OP Turning it from farmland to isk isnt an airtight process though. You still gotta sell it or use it. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/29 "2022-10-22T10:12:17Z")
> [@Orion\_Supernova](#): > > Most of all, stop listening to the moronic children who throw temper tantrums whenever they don’t get what they want, they will adjust over time and the game will be better for it. Things start making more sense when you imagine at CCP Games there being a high level corporate goal of “reduce the sheer number of ‘im gonna quit’ playerbase complaints”. A bunch of nullseccers complain and threatening to quit? Give them what they want. A bunch of Orca pilots filing for gank reimbursement or threatening to quit? Give them free Orcas. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/30 "2022-10-22T11:38:34Z")
> [@Orion\_Supernova](#): > > Now i know this is going to bring on the REEEEing It will be hard to tell it from the REEEEing of the F1-monkey PvPers with 0 damage on most of their killmails who’re REEEEing because they won’t be able to braindead-press-F1 for their dopamine fix while the FC jockeys them around. I’d tell those F1-monkeys to “grow up, adapt, and overcome” but I’m pretty sure it’ll fall on deaf ears. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Prime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_prime/32/339125_2.png) [@Zeta\_Prime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Prime)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/31 "2022-10-23T04:58:27Z")
> [@Orion\_Supernova](#): > > Please!!! stop pandering to the braindead masses who only want an easier and easier game to get their quick dopamine fixes through, what’s next, no need to activate weapons and have them shoot automatically in order to save button pressing and thought needed? It is year 2022 today, not 2003, adapt to the market or die, and yes people want an easier and easier game, people play games to have fun, not for another job after work ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/32 "2022-10-23T05:08:20Z")
> [@Zeta\_Prime](#): > > people want an easier and easier game Have you tried playing Farmville? My mom likes it. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/33 "2022-10-23T05:17:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Have you tried playing Farmville? My mom likes it. Mama Danuja food is the best 🍝 ---
**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/34 "2022-10-23T06:08:57Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/f/cf4f438e8f560911bd7dab61b0f0886023cbe1bb.jpeg "Surprise-Surprise-Surprise.flv") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI) CSM is loaded with Null Security Giants? Null Security gets another buff! I work random days off. I simply am a poor candidate for null. I pay for my ENJOYMENT not a GROUPS!!! As High gets more and more nerfed I continue to question why I play? Damn? I was just starting to enjoy the game again! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/35 "2022-10-23T07:14:19Z")
If the only thing you do is absyssals, you should go to Null then. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/36 "2022-10-23T09:05:23Z")
> [@Orion\_Supernova](#): > > Please!!! stop pandering to the braindead masses who only want an easier and easier game to get their quick dopamine fixes through Good idea. That means we can get rid of Arena PVP and Abyssal PVE and Poochven because that fosters braindead masses that need artificial clutches and restrictions to get their dopamine fix without the potential of unwanted, unexpected interference from the other players. All three aspects have damaged EVE far, far more than 100 Bounty Pay in Null sec will ever do because there is a key difference between those three and null sec: Null Sec is not safe from unexpected, unwanted interference. Someone can just come along, warp to you and ruin your day in a number of ways. That’s all but impossible in Poochven, APVE and APVP. This means: more bounty payout means more people in space that other people can engage with at any point in time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/37 "2022-10-23T09:19:03Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Poochven > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > without the potential of unwanted, unexpected interference from the other players. Im guessing youve never been there. ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/38 "2022-10-23T19:03:03Z")
> [@Azalais\_Selenica](#): > > The real evil is PI, 18 planets per account printing up to 3 bil per month per account…passively PI ain’t as passive as one might claim. In fact, it can be a fiddly, mouse-button destroying PIA. And it requires a bit of a meticulous planner to max out. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/39 "2022-10-23T20:39:34Z")
People only say PI is passive because it requires a lot of passively waiting. Someone should time how much active time is needed to set it all up, reset and place extractors and haul the stuff. I would guess it isn’t nearly as passive as people make it sound. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/40 "2022-10-23T20:54:45Z")
It isn’t. And the person talking about “printing 3 bill per month, **passively** ” hasn’t got a clue. That’s kind of like calling active station trading “passive” income, because hey, you didn’t even undock for it, right? (Station trading is actually more passive than PI is, these days.) Azalais is also wrong (as are many other players and CCP, apparently) about what’s ‘bad’ for the economy and player activity. Having players run 18 planets with full-on production, hauling and selling schedules in order to make a few billion a month outside of high-sec doesn’t harm the game or the economy at all. Having tens of thousands of players who can’t find a good reason to log in anymore… now _that’s_ harmful. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/41 "2022-10-23T21:21:27Z")
Running level 4 missions is pretty much passive income. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/42 "2022-10-23T21:25:23Z")
15 planets, 3 accts with 8 toons doing pi in a wh. **Always** have an extra scout toon log in 1st if you have to move anything. 15/20 min a day to reset everything with a 24 hr cycle time. Every 3 days, you have to make a hauling run to 6 planets each with the 8 toons. After collecting that, you have to make a hauling run to the factory planet twice a wk. Once a wk runs to Jita all using “travel fit” epithals! 🤣 2.5 bil a mo yes ago dropping to 1.5 2 yrs ago. A _lot_ of fun doing other things in there though! 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/45 "2022-10-23T21:53:21Z")
That was just the daily minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/46 "2022-10-23T21:57:30Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > 15 planets, 3 accts with 8 toons doing pi in a wh. **Always** have an extra scout toon log in 1st if you have to move anything. 15/20 min a day to reset everything with a 24 hr cycle time. Every 3 days, you have to make a hauling run to 6 planets each with the 8 toons. After collecting that, you have to make a hauling run to the factory planet twice a wk. Once a wk runs to Jita all using “travel fit” epithals! 🤣 > > 2.5 bil a mo yes ago dropping to 1.5 2 yrs ago. A _lot_ of fun doing other things in there though! I have an even better way to make ISK. Every month, I put in exactly **one** hour of overtime at my work. Then I take that money and buy one of these bad boys… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/0/3/203099e25ac6ea8d326bd566049c56d2b4f1bfc4.jpeg) …which translates into over 7 billion ISK. I don’t have to spend “15/20 min a day to reset everything” (which is like what, 6 hours a month?), plus the additional time to haul all the stuff everywhere, which is a bunch of additional extra hours. No need to baby-sit multiple factory jobs or market orders. Just set up one market order per month, and I’m good to go. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354/47 "2022-10-23T22:03:01Z")
The **only** reason I did it was it was a step outta my comfort zone. I honestly thought I would only last 2 wks. I made it 2 yrs! 🤣 And made it out on my own terms as well. You should step of your shell every now and then. PS; I subbed all my accts by the yr. Edit; It was a fun challenge to set up. Took a while to get it right. More time to creatively acquire a wh. Custom bm’s for every toon. A lot involved if you don’t want to lose ships. And frankly, I did more things than that. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-dbs-floor-to-be-changed-to-100/381354.md?page=3)