# Update on Asset Safety values for Supers & Titans **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** patchnotes\ **Created:** [December 4, 2025, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331 "2025-12-04T10:12:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Nyx\_Viliana1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyx_viliana1/32/376238_2.png) [@Nyx\_Viliana1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyx_Viliana1)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/123 "2025-12-07T15:01:39Z")
I’ve spent over a decade roaming through nullsec, pardon the old man yelling at a cloud but _back in my day_… As I said, allowing people to deposit items into a hostile citadel to avoid fighting to keep the things they’ve stolen/looted is a terrible mechanic. It’s but one of many that were introduced as part of Citadel. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/124 "2025-12-07T16:04:12Z")
Since you don’t want to use the market price, why not just use 15% of the in-game evaluation? That still makes the Avatar more expensive than the rest. But your in-game estimator seems to think it’s the best (or most demanded) Empire Titan anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Mahican\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mahican_moe/32/483089_2.png) [@Mahican\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mahican_Moe)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/125 "2025-12-07T17:16:42Z")
Relax! This is CCP bailing out Horde / PanFam again and for the n’th time. Asset Safety valuation will be adjusted to fit the real super prices in few months. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/126 "2025-12-07T17:31:04Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Eve Online has always been all about protecting your assets from destruction. It always has been. This is the most moronic statement i ever heard about eve. The quote should go something like this. Everything build is about to get destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/127 "2025-12-07T18:12:57Z")
Seriously? Who hurt you? Someone really broke you. You’ve clearly lost all will to live in this game. You see all your assets as not even worth trying to save. Well, you may as well self destruct because you’ve obviously given up. You must have been in PH. They sat back and watched all of their stuff go boom without even a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/128 "2025-12-07T18:27:20Z")
You know what is actually braking me? It the degeneration of tge player base and the constantly lowering iq median of new players like you. You want to know why ph did not fight? They would have loat more during a fight then just pysh ■■■■ into AS. It was the easy way out. No commitment to anything. Just the casuall low iq player base that needs hand holding for everything. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/129 "2025-12-07T18:36:45Z")
Awww that’s cute. Well, I will never cower like you’ve apparently done. I will do everything I can to protect my stuff even if it means going down fighting. You’re entitled to your cowardice. That’s your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/130 "2025-12-07T18:46:56Z")
Dude do you need help? Your making things up and argument them even if they never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/131 "2025-12-07T18:48:29Z")
If you’ve a problem with me, settle it the right way in game. Stop being a troll on the forums like a 5 year old. ---
**Author:** ![Yukisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yukisa/32/480609_2.png) [@Yukisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yukisa)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/132 "2025-12-08T04:20:39Z")
Why does NS even have asset safety.. it’s like risk vs reward, except with training wheels. Tons of reward minimal risk, it’s even more generous than the lame ship insurance costs and payout scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/133 "2025-12-08T07:36:12Z")
> [@Yukisa](#): > > Why does NS even have asset safety. Because nullseccers begin to cry if you tell them that they should only own what they can either defend or evacuate. You basically have triple-digit-billionaires crying about the game being “unplayable” if they actually had to plan properly and show some responsibility for protecting and managring their assets to be ready for a possible emergency situation. They grind like madmen for years over years to become part of the top 0.001% richest people in the game and then react with “duuddde it’s just a GAME, i want to log off for weeks and actually not caring the slightest for all my stuff!!1111!!”. Well, if it’s “just a game”, they should be able to easily play it with a slim package and not need stockpiles in assets that would make a dwarven fortress pale in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Kana\_Kito](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kana_kito/32/481067_2.png) [@Kana\_Kito](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kana_Kito)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/134 "2025-12-08T08:51:47Z")
Asset safety is incredibly game breaking. 1. We’re constantly told: “don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose!” 2. Eve is a dangerous game, you’re never safe, even in “high security” “safe” space! 3. Risk vs reward, Nullsec is more risky, therefore, the rewards are higher. 4. If you can’t stand the risk, then don’t do X,Y,Z activity! Then comes Asset Safety, completely negating 85% of the risk for the one region of space that is sold as high risk, high reward, player driven sovereignty & alliance wars where you could lose territory and all your investments. Poof! It’s basically insurance, 85% coverage, for no upfront cost or running fees. Oh, and it dampens the player economy big time, all these assets that would be destroyed are now magicked ported to an NPC station. So much minerals, components, planetary resources, gas, that would have been destroyed, removed from the economy, driving up demand, is now magicked rescued. It is a massive contrary to what Eve is about: Player driven economy & risk vs reward. The two foundation principle, just spat on by a silly game dev intervention “ambulance” mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![True\_Hubik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/true_hubik/32/454081_2.png) [@True\_Hubik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/True_Hubik)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/135 "2025-12-08T08:57:53Z")
Thank god we have CSM with people that understand all space and such comments (or Reddit) are not the only source of feedback to CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/136 "2025-12-08T11:06:16Z")
A 750 MB (in addition to the usual undocumented 180MB) patch just to adjust AS values? 🤔 That’s insane. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/137 "2025-12-08T11:09:18Z")
> [@Kana\_Kito](#): > > It is a massive contrary to what Eve is about: Player driven economy & risk vs reward. The two foundation principle, just spat on by a silly game dev intervention “ambulance” mechanic. You are not very old and experienced in EVE, are you? It shows. AS is in the game because we didn’t need to worry about destructible structures in the past. Conquerable Outposts were indestructible and guaranteed your assets’ safety. Back in the days that you glamour about so much with that Risk v Reward mantra, Assets were much less at risk than they are now. We need to go back to that so that, for one, clutches like AS aren’t necessary anymore, and secondly, to revitalize EVE and make it enjoyable again. ---
**Author:** ![August\_Poniatowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/august_poniatowski/32/482911_2.png) [@August\_Poniatowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/August_Poniatowski)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/138 "2025-12-08T11:11:17Z")
68b thats 15% of 450b. 225b for avatar fitted thats current market value so what are you complaining? Or are you saying you want to sell them for less ? 🙂 And why the heck do you need 2 if you don’t undock any of them lol ---
**Author:** ![August\_Poniatowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/august_poniatowski/32/482911_2.png) [@August\_Poniatowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/August_Poniatowski)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/139 "2025-12-08T11:12:24Z")
just read this “The fees generally favor the player, by being considerably cheaper than the fees for items with more regular trade volume.” WHY AREY YOU FAVOURING THE RICH WTF CCP ? ---
**Author:** ![Atrol\_Nalelmir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atrol_nalelmir/32/475804_2.png) [@Atrol\_Nalelmir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Atrol_Nalelmir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/140 "2025-12-08T11:21:13Z")
Love the changes for the Avatar, i got my very first titan from the horde firesale and was looking at a massive asset fee to take it out - now its equal with the rest of the titans and what the price was historically. ---
**Author:** ![lucyseven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucyseven/32/481374_2.png) [@lucyseven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lucyseven)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/141 "2025-12-08T11:26:46Z")
I’m not a native English speaker, so I apologize if my communication hasn’t been clear. It may look like I’m complaining to you, but I’m actually very satisfied with CCP’s decision this time. And to answer your question, “Why do you have two Avatars?” — it’s simply because I bought two Avatars. ---
**Author:** ![Axhind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/axhind/32/461932_2.png) [@Axhind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Axhind)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331/142 "2025-12-08T11:46:56Z")
I think we should just make permanent, infinite mass, WHs from top C6 and C5 systems to 0.0. That way you elite pvpers can teach us your superior ways. It could be like zarzakh but for WHs. As you said, 0.0 needs more action and WHs having it easy to get to our space will make that much more action. Of course we could get into your space more easily too but that is not a problem since you are so vastly superior. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-asset-safety-values-for-supers-titans/502331.md?page=8)