# Update on Security of the Empire **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657 "2018-12-13T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/282 "2019-01-14T13:39:00Z")
I think you’ll find that support for striking at Khanid will be low on your side of the fence. ---
**Author:** ![Stitcher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stitcher/32/440654_2.png) [@Stitcher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stitcher)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/283 "2019-01-14T15:42:56Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > As Electus Matari’s citadel is now unanchoring, it seems quite likely that this will have been the peak of the fighting. Am I alone in remembering that Else was going to take that thing down anyway, and the only reason it was even _there_ on Saturday is that some pack of idiots, who shall remain nameless, decided to shoot it up and put it in reinforced mode? Seems to me like at least half the fight could have been avoided. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/284 "2019-01-14T15:48:47Z")
In fact, you’re not! ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/285 "2019-01-14T16:10:15Z")
Given that the citadel was not even unanchoring yet when we “shot it up,” the idea that it would not have been there on Saturday if we hadn’t gone through with planned operations to reinforce it the day before is total nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/286 "2019-01-14T16:15:45Z")
Freedom’s Gate would have been _unanchoring_ on Saturday if it had been possible. Not gone, though, because controlled dismantling takes a week, and that would not have been complete by that time. The reinforcement delayed us by about 24-48 hours, not more. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/287 "2019-01-14T16:18:26Z")
Though it should be noted that they _did_ form up to attempt to RF the armor timer, so their _intention_ was clearly to keep you there. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/288 "2019-01-14T16:18:57Z")
That seems correct. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/289 "2019-01-14T16:23:12Z")
Given that the citadel was not yet being dismantled, If we had been successful at mustering enough force to break the EM defense for the armor timer, the final timer would not have been significantly later than the schedule they are on now. And yes, we would rather have destroyed it than not. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/290 "2019-01-14T16:35:44Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > And yes, we would rather have destroyed it than not. I expect no less. But _you_ did not approach me diplomatically to try and ensure a quick exit, and _then_ try and stop me, either. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/291 "2019-01-14T16:54:52Z")
I suppose it just strikes me as a little odd that, when called upon to remove hostile forces from Thebeka, you focused on _delaying_ the departure of the one group that had said they’re leaving, while leaving—for example—the [self-described](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-handy-guide-to-thebeka/129019/91) Angel Cartel forces completely unmolested. If you were going to reinforce a citadel, I would’ve thought _theirs_ would be the obvious choice. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/292 "2019-01-14T17:11:13Z")
So, which citadel has actively been used to support destruction on the ground? And why would we _ever_ trust EM statements about their involvement being done? Are you really expecting us to have gone “Oh, they are saying they plan on retreating, guess we call off all planned operations and just let them leave easily.” Basically Angels are obnoxious pests, Electus Matari are The Enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/293 "2019-01-14T17:13:40Z")
Awww. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/294 "2019-01-14T17:16:11Z")
For the record: there’s exactly once I have knowingly lied on the summits. (In response to Rodj Blake about who do I consider “the legal government” of the Minmatar Republic sometime after the events in Colelie. And even then, it is not a lie if you interpret that “you” as EM, not me personally.) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/295 "2019-01-14T17:29:40Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > Are you really expecting us to have gone “Oh, they are saying they plan on retreating, guess we call off all planned operations and just let them leave easily.” I suppose I expected you to focus your efforts in directions where there was no sign that you might get what you want _without_ getting more of your crews killed. After all, if they didn’t begin withdrawing, you could always get those crew members killed later. But, you know, actual concern for human lives in your care, right? What was I thinking? ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/296 "2019-01-14T17:55:55Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > If you were going to reinforce a citadel, I would’ve thought _theirs_ would be the obvious choice. We’re leaving too actually. Apart from the wars that got billed for yesterday we won’t be renewing any of our wars further. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/297 "2019-01-14T18:15:10Z")
Yes, I know, I’ve seen your cit unanchoring. But at the time when PIE and SFRIM reinforced the EM Astra, you hadn’t made any announcement of that. EM had. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/298 "2019-01-14T18:22:09Z")
How many times do we have to say “we do not care about Kalaratiri” before you understand? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/299 "2019-01-14T18:25:35Z")
So much empty noise. As if we ever had any obligation to prioritize opponents like Kala over, or even equivalent to, actual enemies like EM, or to let those enemies withdraw unscathed. Disingenuous. Disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/300 "2019-01-14T19:45:25Z")
Of course you don’t. After all, ‘get rid of the criminal element’ couldn’t mean _those_ criminals. _Those_ criminals are just fine. Sure, they’ve declared war on you, but why should you do the thing the Cardinal spelled out pretty clearly and shoot _those_ people who declared war on you when you could shoot _other_ people who’d already said they were leaving? Makes perfect sense, really. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > So much empty noise. You mean like opinions on strategic priorities being tossed about by someone who is proud to be nothing more than someone else’s tool? Thank you for prefacing your remarks with a description of them, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jev\_North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jev_north/32/100533_2.png) [@Jev\_North](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jev_North)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/301 "2019-01-14T19:54:57Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You mean like opinions on strategic priorities being tossed about by someone who is proud to be nothing more than someone else’s tool? Well, more like opinions on strategic priorities being tossed around by the Winds-blown peanut gallery. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657.md?page=16)