# Update on Security of the Empire **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657 "2018-12-13T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/81 "2018-12-16T13:24:10Z")
Well, that makes sense on how you could make the comments you did on the citadel. I admit I am so focused on the actual crisis in Thebeka that the idea you would go searching for citadels elsewhere did not cross my mind and I clearly misread your comment. This will teach me to post from planetside without access to notifications from the previous night. I’ll see you on the field if you actually want to try attacking it when it’s defended. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/82 "2018-12-16T13:45:41Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > It does confuse me that suddenly the Khanid are not “Imperial”. They are an heir family still are they not? Indeed. And despite both Darkar and Chakaid’s rhetoric, Ardishapur and Khanid are not at war. ---
**Author:** ![Armast\_Darkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armast_darkar/32/173723_2.png) [@Armast\_Darkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armast_Darkar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/83 "2018-12-16T18:55:54Z")
I did not mean to insinuate that Ushra’Khan is a loyal Ammatar force at all. By ‘we’ I meant the loyal Ammatar baseliners and survivors of Kahah who managed to join my corporation. In Thebeka, the Ushra’Khan presence is virtually non-existent. We do not agree on everything but our interests align when it comes to the Khanid Kingdom. As for the citadel timer, I will be in contact. ---
**Author:** ![Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shintoko_akahoshi/32/362016_2.png) [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shintoko_Akahoshi)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/84 "2018-12-16T19:23:20Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > > [@Kalaratiri](#): > > > > It does confuse me that suddenly the Khanid are not “Imperial”. They are an heir family still are they not? > > Indeed. And despite both Darkar and Chakaid’s rhetoric, Ardishapur and Khanid are not at war. It sure sounds like someone would _like_ them to be… ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/85 "2018-12-16T19:30:37Z")
> [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](#): > > It sure sounds like someone would _like_ them to be… Indeed it does. And Drakar is not helping to prevent that. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/86 "2018-12-16T20:23:59Z")
My point is, Darkar, you attempted to land a Ushra’Khan force onto an Amarrian vassal world. I don’t know how much you know about U’K, but fact is, after that, there’s no Mary loyalist in space who will ever again believe half a word about “loyal servant of the God and Empire” from your lips. It doesn’t matter what your motives were. Ushra’Khan’s reputation will trump any professions of them you can make. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/87 "2018-12-16T20:43:39Z")
And, I suppose, I should add, the talk about loyal serving of God and Empire behind that drop attempt will go quite far in making sure that no _Minmatar_ loyalist will trust you ever again, either. ---
**Author:** ![Armast\_Darkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armast_darkar/32/173723_2.png) [@Armast\_Darkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armast_Darkar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/88 "2018-12-16T22:45:06Z")
Amarr loyalists do not have a monopoly on the Faith as much as vocal capsuleers would like to believe as they screech here and elsewhere. And should the Minmatar revile me for believing the Empire can be reformed through the application of proper morality as espoused by House Ardishapur, I cannot change their opinions. Nonetheless, it is now obvious to me that the rot and corruption of the Empire reaches into its very core. Despite espousing peaceful intentions in gratitude for His Grace Lord Yonis Ardishapur rebuilding our homes and economy, PIE chooses to embrace the philosophies of Sa-Baron Alar Chakaid and ignores overtures for de-escalation. You have given me much to think about Captain Rhiannon. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/89 "2018-12-16T22:46:10Z")
There’s a proverb that applies here: “Those who attempt to sit on two chairs, shall fall on their buttocks.” ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/90 "2018-12-16T23:49:31Z")
It’s less the ‘faith’ so much as ‘_serving_ the Empire’. You have to admit, if someone’s saying ‘I still think you should obey’, then a nation of rebels isn’t likely to embrace them. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/91 "2018-12-16T23:53:20Z")
You know, the only other person I know of who reduces Amarr internal relations down to a pro-Chakaid and anti-Chakaid binary is Chakaid himself. ---
**Author:** ![Armast\_Darkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armast_darkar/32/173723_2.png) [@Armast\_Darkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armast_Darkar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/92 "2018-12-16T23:55:57Z")
Considering how ill-informed you are of your own structures, I don’t find it surprising your views are so myopic. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/93 "2018-12-17T01:16:54Z")
We hear and obey. ![14](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/a/1a526e7ff0eff0f2be714dbcc144ab7b8c89ef0c.jpeg) Though the Amarr Navy is giving us a hard time, our kin on Thebeka will not be abandoned! Warp-in points close to the planet have been established. Whenever our brothers and sisters on the ground manage to clear a gap in the aerial defenses, reinforcements will be dropped in to assist them. Brothers on the ground, give it your all. Those that manage to make it off the ground will be provided with passage to the Minmatar Republic by any means necessary. Resist, hijack what ships you can, and make your way to your brothers and sisters. Though the road will be arduous, there are those of us that will stand for you, waiting with open arms, and not with the slaver’s chains. Freedom, for us all! ---
**Author:** ![Alizabeth\_Vea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alizabeth_vea/32/122884_2.png) [@Alizabeth\_Vea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alizabeth_Vea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/94 "2018-12-17T03:23:59Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > You know, the only other person I know of who reduces Amarr internal relations down to a pro-Chakaid and anti-Chakaid binary is Chakaid himself. I loathe Chakaid myself. He’s the kind of hack that makes my profession look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/95 "2018-12-17T03:24:45Z")
I believe that most of us share that opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Armast\_Darkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armast_darkar/32/173723_2.png) [@Armast\_Darkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armast_Darkar)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/96 "2018-12-17T03:28:05Z")
And yet you gleefully do his bidding. ---
**Author:** ![Alizabeth\_Vea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alizabeth_vea/32/122884_2.png) [@Alizabeth\_Vea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alizabeth_Vea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/97 "2018-12-17T03:40:45Z")
If Chakaid told me to get seconds on desserts, I would refrain, just from obstinance. Lord Sarum asked for me and my troops on Alkabsi, so off to Alkabsi I went. I know, he asked formally for Lady Newelle’s forces, but Lord Sarum is a wise and intelligent lord, so he knew what he was getting. I work for Lady Newelle, Lord Sarum, and the Sacred Throne, Her Sublime Imperial Majesty Catiz I. Chakaid doesn’t enter into it. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/98 "2018-12-17T03:57:31Z")
If you think PIE’s hard opposition to terrorists like U’K or Mizhara and to those who work with them is somehow a policy that Chakaid influenced, you seriously need to read some history. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/99 "2018-12-17T04:17:42Z")
Go to 0:47. Get a good look at the Leshak that’s attempting to keep the freighter alive, working with ‘terrorists like U’K’. Again, I’m forced to ask: will PIE be declaring war on Goonswarm Federation? Because you keep coming up with criteria, and it _keeps_ being applicable to me. And while you haven’t taken that step yet, I’d rather not be blindsided by it. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/100 "2018-12-17T04:29:42Z")
> [@Isha\_Vuld](#): > > with passage to the Minmatar Republic by any means necessary. There happens to be an established operation providing just that in the system. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657.md?page=6)