# \[Updated\] Improving PVP for new players **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [January 19, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537 "2022-01-19T15:47:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/82 "2022-01-22T00:12:45Z")
And I am letting the dev team know when they’ve exhausted PVP-focused interest, they have a whole market they can open up to when the chips are down and they need to make a hail mary pass to checkmate the wicket. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/83 "2022-01-22T00:13:31Z")
You cannot play Eve without PVP. Eve is PVP. If you think you’ve found a way to, you’re not actually playing Eve. Everything is PvP. When I put up a market order, I am competing with others to sell my goods. If I go and mine a rock, that’s a) a rock you can’t mine and b) ore that will increase the overall supply and thus reduce the price of those materials. You cannot separate the game from competition between players. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/84 "2022-01-22T00:13:37Z")
1 person is not a whole market, nor is the PVP focused side ever going to lose interest. MMOs are not PVE focused, they are PVP focused and that’s what makes eve so attractable to those who play. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/85 "2022-01-22T00:13:47Z")
out of 25-30k folks logging in, they aren’t going to listen to 1 or 10 people. hell, half the time they don’t even listen to our elected representatives the CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/86 "2022-01-22T01:02:24Z")
Thousands of data points of cancelations and other engagement ending events outnumber the current EVE user base. CCP has access to these data and I do not. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/87 "2022-01-22T02:12:38Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > I want to mine rocks and build ships and tell jokes on discord. I want to play cooperative-only EVE while you boys have fun rolling in the mud. So move to null bruv. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Would all of you prefer if EVE had 500,000 Omega subscribers again, but a majority were on a PVE server (or using PVE subscriptions, etc), or if the game continued the slow playerbase decline, with CCP sustaining itself on PLEX whales? > > CCP has the data on cancellation and player review sentiment. They know about the opportunity cost of maintaining these dated gameplay decisions. I would it die a fiery death than a PvE server. Go back to Trammel noob. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > HAD NO WAY TO AVOID OR OUTPLAY THAT ENEMY Yes you did. Learn to EVE better. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > I just need a break from constantly feeling I will be trapped and killed with no opportunity for counterplay You have all the ways. You just suck bruv 😃 > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > This ain’t exactly fortnite, mechanical skill is completely secondary to game knowledge and situation awareness Someone doesn’t know why manual flying is important and it shows 😃 > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > And I am letting the dev team know when they’ve exhausted PVP-focused interest, they have a whole market they can open up to when the chips are down and they need to make a hail mary pass to checkmate the wicket. No they don’t. Cause in addition to not knowing how to EVE well, you don’t know how to econ good either. No ships go blap, no one buy ships. In your world the only ship worth a damn will be the Gila. Figure out why and get back to me 😃 When you have the answer, you’ll have learned something. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Thousands of data points of cancelations and other engagement ending events outnumber the current EVE user base. CCP has access to these data and I do not. In your _opinion_. You’ve already admitted you don’t really have the data. Sigh. I shouldn’t fall for the trolling. Yet she might actually mean it? Oh the suspense 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/88 "2022-01-22T03:44:29Z")
lets try this OP [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/d/9dba09442ddba1799cdc9b397985f465838d8215.jpeg "Permaband - HTFU") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/89 "2022-01-22T03:44:53Z")
and this one [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/4/54517c3956e0c4be13ea9f0aea946585e9a0863b.jpeg "Permaband - Killing is Just a Means") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxNW5dDYEY) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/90 "2022-01-22T03:45:31Z")
and if you cant understand them, then you just need to walk away cause EvE is not for you. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/91 "2022-01-22T13:41:52Z")
No thanks. I don’t like limp biskit. That seems like something that might resonate with me if I were a teenager when that kind of music was popular, though. I don’t see how a couple fan music videos have anything to do with whether I get EVE. I’m saying the reason the game has less active users is this cultural obsession with fighting that many more successful games don’t have. You holding up an esoteric shiboleth and telling a person that enjoys the game is only a real fan if they like your favorite EVE nu metal is silly. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/92 "2022-01-22T14:53:06Z")
That’s CCP in those videos, permaband is/was their band made up of ccp devs ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/93 "2022-01-22T16:09:11Z")
I have no notes on their music, just the game that has been in decline since 2013. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/94 "2022-01-22T18:42:45Z")
Thats the CCP Permaband videos you ninny… And by retrospect, that IS the culture of EvE… So really, STFU and HTFU… Stop posting… Learn to EvE Get GUD Or … GET REKT and go back to your my little pony game. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/95 "2022-01-22T20:43:55Z")
Don’t be rude for no reason. I like different things in the game than you. That doesn’t make us enemies. We can like different things without either of us being evil or stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/96 "2022-01-22T21:57:22Z")
Well considering your suggestion would destroy the game that most people here like the way it is, as well as fail to see why your idea is incompatible with the core of Eve, no wonder you are getting some negative feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/97 "2022-01-22T22:49:21Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > cultural obsession with fighting that many more successful games don’t have. You holding up an esoteric shiboleth and telling a person that enjoys the game is only a real fan if they like your favorite EVE nu metal is silly. You think your vocab is gonna help you win your case? You are attacking a core tenet of EVE. Did you think it was gonna be sunshine and rainbows? > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Don’t be rude for no reason. I like different things in the game than you. That doesn’t make us enemies. We can like different things without either of us being evil or stupid. Nah bro. You are attempting to gank EVE’s soul. You are the enemy 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/98 "2022-01-23T03:22:00Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Don’t be rude for no reason. This is EvE…Don’t Like it, come at me Bruh, do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Leandra\_Shintori](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leandra_shintori/32/293301_2.png) [@Leandra\_Shintori](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leandra_Shintori)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/100 "2022-01-23T15:34:26Z")
We dont care who you are behind your monitor. We dont care who we are behind our monitors. As long as anyone is logged in and undocked its VALID TARGET. So please, dont pull out your “Im very special snowflake card. Your Idea is bad, you were told why… ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/101 "2022-01-23T15:52:10Z")
I believe in equality, so anyone can challenge anyone to a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537/102 "2022-01-23T16:57:12Z")
It’s pathetic to challenge anyone to a fight over their opinions on a video game and to decide that a person is your enemy based on their video game opinions. My heart is overcome with pity for the person with such terrible priorities. I have already acknowledged that I am not good at PvP. You are stronger than me. Beating me is not an achievement. I find it troubling that anyone would think it made them look strong to say they are stronger than me. Someone asserting their prowess in such a way against a weaker person doesn’t seem strong. They seem very insecure. Take a look in the mirror, frienderino. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-improving-pvp-for-new-players/346537.md?page=6)