# Updated Monthly Economic Report - December 2021 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [January 20, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649 "2022-01-20T15:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CCP\_Swift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_swift/32/381987_2.png) [@CCP\_Swift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Swift)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/21 "2022-01-20T23:10:44Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > On that Wardec podcast, Rattati and Swift said that the Mined Ore volume had increased a lot since the _end of scarcity_ I believe we specified _resources_ mined - if you look at the rest of the graphs you can see an uptick in mining for moon ore, ice, and gas as well. Notably (and intentionally) absent is event-resources mined for the duration of the Winter Nexus event. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Swift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_swift/32/381987_2.png) [@CCP\_Swift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Swift)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/22 "2022-01-20T23:11:23Z")
@CCP_Larrikin is the fellow to thank, I’ll make sure to pass it along! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/23 "2022-01-20T23:25:05Z")
Ok, so. Now I’ve had some time to run the numbers a bit. Anyone who says the December numbers are good is smoking something, and I wish to god they’d share. So, the ‘here, lemme esplain’ version of the spreadsheet… Delve is the highest-producing nullsec region in all categories. It has the largest number of residents in nullsec, with some 32,626 in just Goonswarm. Of those 32,626, it is virtually impossible for there to be an average that even 3% of them are out in space, mining, at any given moment. If all of the miners in Delve (excluding gas because gas is a less than 0.2% of Delve’s total) were in T1 Ventures, piloted by ‘I just logged in for the first time’ alphas, it would take a total of 802 Ventures, working round the clock, to generate the numbers we see. 802 sounds like a lot, I’ll grant you, but that’s 802 characters out of over 32,000 (especially because this doesn’t include LAWN, TNT, or any other Imperium Alliances That Are Not Goons [IATANGs]). Worse, that’s _only if they are all alpha clones with no SP invested in mining, flying T1-fitted Ventures1 without mining drones_. That’s a per-character yield of 3.22m3/s. In other words, no, those numbers didn’t come from 802 Ventures. If, instead, it’s T1-fitted Retrievers2, then the same numbers get produced by 130 characters. Of course, we also know it’s not that, because hey! **Residue**. Residue shows us that at an _average_ of about 20% residue is being produced. And _that_ means that most of the yield being mined is being mined with T2 Strip Miners + T2 B-type Crystals. So most of it’s being done with Rorqs… or _Hulks_. Lemme tell you, it’s Hulks. I base that on direct observation, and knowing what the policies being used in Delve’s Locust SIG are. So how many Hulks would those numbers require? 1. Think about that. The most heavily-mined nullsec region is represented on those graphs by potentially as few as _nineteen_ miners in space at any time. And, since I know we’ve had 6-8 hour sessions of Locust Fleets where there were 30-40 miners, mostly in Hulks and Rorqs, that means there’s been plenty of times when _absolutely nobody was mining_. In all of Delve. If _we’re_ that low in December, everywhere _else_ is a hell of a lot lower. So absolutely _nobody_ should be saying the December numbers represent a healthy ecosystem. Nobody should be saying less than two dozen miners in the _busiest_ nullsec region is a good place for the game to be in. These numbers _terrify_ me. > **[Delve Mining Breakdown](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_avtmSJvm4ecJpJ3abOEcUajb-4SrDEKu1Smva9rrok/edit?usp=sharing)** > > Sheet1 > > Asteroid,Moon,Ice,Total > Mined,1,629,807,000.00,2,936,687,000.00,2,344,086,000.00,6,910,580,000.00,Rorqual Hold,300,000.00 > Residue,-339,273,200.00,-541,505,000.00,-679,780,000.00,-1,560,558,200.00,Max Rorq Yield m3/s,120.00 > Rorqual... * * * > **1. Venture Fit:** > > ```auto > [Venture, Starter Mining] > > Damage Control I > > 1MN Afterburner I > Medium Shield Extender I > Survey Scanner I > > Miner I > Miner I > Core Probe Launcher I > > Small EM Shield Reinforcer I > Small Core Defense Field Extender I > Small Core Defense Field Extender I > > ``` > **2. Retriever Fit:** > > ```auto > [Retriever, T1] > > Damage Control II > Mining Laser Upgrade I > Power Diagnostic System II > > Multispectrum Shield Hardener II > Multispectrum Shield Hardener II > > Strip Miner I > Strip Miner I > > Medium Core Defense Field Extender I > Medium Core Defense Field Extender I > Medium EM Shield Reinforcer I > > Warrior II x5 > > ``` > **3. Hulk Fit:** > > ```auto > [Hulk, Hulk max T2] > > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > Mining Laser Upgrade II > > Compact Multispectrum Shield Hardener > Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender > Compact EM Shield Amplifier > Compact Multispectrum Shield Hardener > > Modulated Strip Miner II, Exceptional Moon Mining Crystal Type B II > Modulated Strip Miner II, Exceptional Moon Mining Crystal Type B II > > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > > Inherent Implants 'Highwall' Mining MX-1005 > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Knox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franklin_knox/32/262905_2.png) [@Franklin\_Knox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franklin_Knox)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/24 "2022-01-21T01:25:26Z")
Moon ore region graph is missing Omist. Gas region graph is missing 9 regions. No csvs are provided to go along with the new mining graphs. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/25 "2022-01-21T05:21:15Z")
Y’all still pretending that Pochven never happened, I see. EDIT: actually looks like it’s on _some_ graphs. Just not the interesting ones. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/26 "2022-01-21T05:45:35Z")
Ice only got up because you increased availability, not because of the ships, though. Availability went up from virtually 0 to 1000%. Of course numbers are up in that case, and now prices are down in the gutter again. Yeah, and Gas spiked up because you increased supply by a crap load because you theoretically increased demand by a crap load. Only flaw in your logic: Demand did not increase at all because you killed the industry that needs the gas. So now gas is worth less than before and you also ruined booster production in the process. Well, congratulations for ruining more than 2 things at the same time. If this is what you consider “good development quality” and “fun gameplay experience”, you should reconsider your perspectives. You claimed at Minute 12:30 that mining numbers are up, at 12:35 that ore mined is up (dramatically, but then backpaddled on the dramatically). You did not mention ice anywhere, and moon ore only with your PL example and how they how Hulks “worked better than before”. Speaking of booster gas: Can you please explain to me what in the world you have to take to say on the one hand “we introduced special components to untangle sub-cap from cap+ production to make cap+ production easier to manage and balance without impacting sub-cap production” and on the other hand “we tangle gas that was never before used for ship production and is only used for highly specialized items with ship production” so that if one goes down the drain, the formerly and still completely unrelated market also goes down the drain – thus doing a 180 on the previous statement. No one in their right mind and knowledgeable in the industry would have ever asked for more uses of booster gas. It still boggles my mind how anyone understanding the booster industry would tell CCP that this was a good idea to implement. > [@Franklin\_Knox](#): > > Gas region graph is missing 9 regions. That can be intentional because most regions don’t have gas at all. Period Basis, for instance, has no gas spawning at all, which means it should show 0. However, I skimmed through the picture and found Insmother, Etherium Reach, Scalding Pass, Branch, Perrigan Falls, Geminate, Immensea and a number of other regions on the graph that don’t have natural gas spawning either. [Patch 19.03](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-19-03) states that Myko was added to “additional null security locations” but to my knowledge, this did not include any region in Drone Lands or other regions that did not already spawn gas naturally. Hence this Gas Graph is … probably not portraying the real picture (and includes gas imports instead of mining?) ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/27 "2022-01-21T09:04:21Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > On that Wardec podcast, Rattati and Swift said that the Mined Ore volume had increased a lot since the _end of scarcity_ I don’t think they know what they are talking about. They seem to live in a land of make believe… ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/28 "2022-01-21T09:08:17Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > I believe we specified _resources_ mined - if you look at the rest of the graphs you can see an uptick in mining for moon ore, ice, and gas as well. Notably (and intentionally) absent is event-resources mined for the duration of the Winter Nexus event. It is gas…kinda like your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_zealot/32/305585_2.png) [@Mina\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/29 "2022-01-21T12:10:19Z")
@CCP_Swift Thank you for posting the MER. @Arrendis Thank you for shedding light on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jarod\_Teague](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jarod_teague/32/298979_2.png) [@Jarod\_Teague](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jarod_Teague)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/30 "2022-01-24T21:17:04Z")
I notice all these graphs are based on value and not quantity. I would like to see the ore, gas and ice mining based on quantity. I think that would be a more realistic graph. Value fluctuates month to month and is not a good metric for comparison. I would like to see how much is actually mining each month. That way we can see how things are progressing and perhaps add the last few months to see how mining has changed. For good or bad. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/31 "2022-01-25T02:35:33Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > I believe we specified _resources_ mined - if you look at the rest of the graphs you can see an uptick in mining for moon ore, ice, and gas as well. Didn’t look too close into data, but if you look at the graphs, asteroid ore mining dropped from 2 bil/day to 1 bil. Ice and moon goo combined compensate that drop with 0.5 bil/day growth each. Gas went from 10 million to 20 million m3 which wouldn’t register if you plot them on the same graph with others. No increase yet. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/32 "2022-01-25T22:09:23Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > Didn’t look too close into data, but if you look at the graphs, asteroid ore mining dropped from 2 bil/day to 1 bil. So, important context: The claim is that it increased _since the end of scarcity_. Which means that they’re more or less saying it’s up since _literally the day before the patch hit_. You’re falling into the trap of looking at the start of the chart. Ignore it. To evaluate what Swift (who is, after all, a lawyer, and thus, can be trusted to _lawyer_) _et al._ said on the podcast, look at the day right before the Residue scale starts. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/33 "2022-01-26T19:28:49Z")
Graph correctly shows that mining yields have gone up substantially since the patch. Null around 30%, HS around 10-20%, LS around 10-20% and wormholes up 15-15% hard to tell precisely on those for how small the scale and sample is, but it is immediately obvious all regions went up. ---
**Author:** ![Rhivre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhivre/32/358488_2.png) [@Rhivre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhivre)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/34 "2022-01-27T21:20:43Z")
You mean for moon mining, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kiera\_Oramara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kiera_oramara/32/456080_2.png) [@Kiera\_Oramara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kiera_Oramara)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/35 "2022-01-28T03:59:40Z")
Can we have “Mining Value by Region” back plz @CCP_Swift @CCP_Larrikin (ofc it needs to include asteroid ore, moon goo, ice and gas) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/36 "2022-01-28T07:05:50Z")
Definitely this. Also, can we have the ‘Mining by m3’ charts go back at least 7 years so we can see the current numbers in context of historical comparisons both during and before the introduction of the excavator and Rorqs as active mining ships? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/37 "2022-01-28T07:28:03Z")
I mean, if you pull up the html files in the downloadable archive, you can actually zoom in to get _extremely_ specific numbers. For example, the total volume of all moon mining on Dec 31st appears to be… 1.351504B. So 1,351,504,000m3 of moon goo, total. Of that, the highsec #s are 551.86M, or 551,860,000m3. We can do the same drilling down with the asteroid and gas htmls, so… my big regret on those charts is we lose the bottom axis labeling when we zoom in, so it’s really only useful for the start/endpoints of the graph. If we could get gridlines to let us isolate out weeks and days, that’d be very useful. By the way, that 1.351Bm3 of goo means that on the 31st, there were effectively 114 hulks (114.1781563) mining full-out for the 24h of that day. If we assume no more than 4h per hulk, that goes to 913 hulks out there on NYE. If it was those T1 retrievers, that would’ve needed 6,257 miners on 4h shifts each. So,there’s your rough #s: On December 31st, there were _likely_ somewhere between 913 and 6,257 accounts that mined, over the course of those 24h. Across all of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/38 "2022-01-29T07:23:24Z")
Is there Data in the MER about how much destruction happens in Arenas? Would be interesting to compare that destruction volume compared to open world destruction to see if and how much destruction Arenas take away from the open world. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/39 "2022-02-14T06:51:00Z")
14 days into February and still no January MER. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649/40 "2022-02-14T19:39:13Z")
Hoping a combination of the Jan MER and the CCP earnings call due this week are why they have a big devblog coming… From my anecdotal experience, game feels emptier than ever with less content in terms of things to do post mining and ratting nerfs. Imagine actively developing content out of your game and then being surprised when the PCU drops. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-monthly-economic-report-december-2021/346649.md?page=3)