# Updated System Requirements - Discontinue Windows 7 and 8 Support **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [October 16, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047 "2023-10-16T14:54:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/21 "2023-10-20T16:53:38Z")
well anything what was able to use windows 7/8 can run windows 10 and you are/was able to use the same license key … so … why you use such old OS?? ---
**Author:** ![Zaknussem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaknussem/32/391088_2.png) [@Zaknussem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaknussem)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/22 "2023-10-20T17:00:19Z")
As many others, I understand that technology advances and operating systems become outdated, and up to this point of my 16-year journey of EVE Online, I have kept apace. But no longer. Windows 10 is a pain and Windows 11 is outright malevolent. I will not upgrade along that path. (That should answer your question @JuuR_Zibaoo ) The only point of criticism that can be raised here, is at CCP (as usual). Everyone knew this was coming, it was just a matter of when. But CCP, fearing any and all potential backlash, decided to wait until after FanFest to announce this. And then give us just 7 weeks to find a workaround. A good a time as any to say farewell, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/23 "2023-10-20T17:04:00Z")
> [@CCP\_Arcade](#): > > By discontinuing support, we have the opportunity to unlock further security features in the launcher Seriously, why is it always the launcher that breaks things Also you package a ■■■■■■■ browser engine into a program that is supposed to update and launch a game just to display ads and then talk about security features. That’s just golden ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/24 "2023-10-20T17:06:05Z")
what? then run it on Linux or use a Mac (not an Apple fan) but sorry Windows 10 is awesome … Windows 11 not so much but well 12 will come sooner or later … ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/25 "2023-10-20T17:48:02Z")
Golly this really revealed the bottom of the barrel of who plays EVE on old tech lol. Like any PC made after 2018 would suffice here. I don’t really know how any of these people who want to die with Windows 7/8 are going to be playing latest games. I bought my gaming laptop in 2022. Probably plan on keeping it until 2027? Depending on how decent a RTX 3070 will be in 5 years. Yah PC gaming can be expensive. 💰 🕶 **Can’t afford it? I suggest looking for a new/cheaper hobby because games are not getting easier to run and they are not getting cheaper.** _Don’t let my facts hurt you on the way down._ 👆 ---
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/26 "2023-10-20T18:09:28Z")
“_Houston, we have a problem_” ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/27 "2023-10-20T18:43:23Z")
With Microsoft dropping support for Win7/8 CCP is forced to drop support too. Connecting an unsupported and thus unpatched operating system to the Internet is like driving a car without safety belt and airbag. No company is allowed to run unsupported operating systems in their environment for security compliance reasons. If you don’t like the newer Windows versions (which I totally understand) you have the option to switch to Linux and run EVE via Steam on Linux. ---
**Author:** ![Kariemi\_Tekitsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kariemi_tekitsu/32/440317_2.png) [@Kariemi\_Tekitsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kariemi_Tekitsu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/28 "2023-10-20T21:03:17Z")
It’s not the launcher that “breaks things”. From reading between the lines in the announcement it’s fairly clear that whatever spy software they’ve chosen to deploy to eve clients as anti-cheat for Vanguard doesn’t support Win7/8. ---
**Author:** ![Wondering\_Monk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wondering_monk/32/373294_2.png) [@Wondering\_Monk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wondering_Monk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/29 "2023-10-20T21:10:05Z")
I would not blame CCP totally for this Microsoft is the one who stopped supporting Win 7/8/8.1 and maybe support for Win 10 in 2025 ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/30 "2023-10-20T22:37:18Z")
> [@Kariemi\_Tekitsu](#): > > whatever spy software they’ve chosen to deploy to eve clients as anti-cheat for Vanguard doesn’t support Win7/8. Are you serious? EVE doesn’t send information to the client the player can’t see, what would be the point of an anti-cheat? Is this your personal conspiracy or is there actually any information about this? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/31 "2023-10-20T23:46:25Z")
> [@Kariemi\_Tekitsu](#): > > From reading between the lines in the announcement it’s fairly clear that whatever spy software they’ve chosen to deploy to eve clients Let’s take off the tin foil hats now… Deep breath ---
**Author:** ![Ki-Nor\_Ashdanjadestel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ki-nor_ashdanjadestel/32/391182_2.png) [@Ki-Nor\_Ashdanjadestel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ki-Nor_Ashdanjadestel)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/32 "2023-10-21T13:09:30Z")
Fattony is proving to be nothing other than a troll and an antagonizer. why dont you go find something else to do since none of this is relevant to you? Lots of vitriol… few facts on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/33 "2023-10-21T14:36:39Z")
> [@Ki-Nor\_Ashdanjadestel](#): > > Fattony is proving to be nothing other than a troll and an antagonizer. You can quote me like a man and say what I did wrong. Everything I have said here is straight up fact. You may not admit that here but personally you know it. There is no spyware in EVE. We can take off the tin foil conspiracy theory hats now and enjoy the game. Some people are so uptight. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Yah PC gaming can be expensive. 💰 🕶 **Can’t afford it? I suggest looking for a new/cheaper hobby because games are not getting easier to run and they are not getting cheaper.** 👆 **Facts.** The only way to counter the people who wine about why CCP and many other companies is to be strong and resolute in your beliefs and it starts with that fact I stated above. ---
**Author:** ![Maressa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maressa/32/391083_2.png) [@Maressa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maressa)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/34 "2023-10-21T14:49:22Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Golly this really revealed the bottom of the barrel of who plays EVE on old tech lol. Like any PC made after 2018 would suffice here. I run 6 accounts/clients on a 3570k and a 1070 with Win7 with max graphics settings @1920x1200 (selected items turned off that don’t impact visual quality). With those 6 clients it was the 16G of RAM that was the bottleneck, which I just upgraded to 32 and it now runs @ 65% utiliisation. The fact that you use gaming and laptop in the same sentence is proof positive you’re a clueless bottom of the barrel user. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/35 "2023-10-21T15:09:44Z")
> [@Maressa](#): > > I run 6 accounts/clients on a 3570k and a 1070 with Win7 with max graphics settings **The number of accounts you run doesn’t validate you using windows 7. You can run 20 accounts and noone will care.** It is an old operating system and Microsoft is phasing it out along with numerous of other companies. Please read the many other comments posted about that. I have a RTX 3070 TI 8gb. I can do what you do and more. 🕶 > [@Maressa](#): > > With those 6 clients it was the 16G of RAM that was the bottleneck I have 32gb of ram. > [@Maressa](#): > > I just upgraded to 32 and it now runs @ 65% utiliisation. Nice! > [@Maressa](#): > > The fact that you use gaming and laptop in the same sentence is proof positive you’re a clueless bottom of the barrel user. I love gaming laptops. Had mine for almost a year now. No heat problems. Runs very fast. I could multibox those 6 accounts and do just fine. Do not turn this into gaming laptops vs PCs. **This thread is about upgrading from windows 7 to windows 11.** **According to a quick google search it came out sometime in 2009. 🤣** You conveniently ignore my facts about the gaming industry and all the other posts saying why this is happening. I am just pointing out that the salt from windows 7 users will be strong here and it seems like I was proven right. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Noot\_Dnilb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noot_dnilb/32/346694_2.png) [@Noot\_Dnilb](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noot_Dnilb)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/36 "2023-10-21T20:04:25Z")
I wonder if the new secure bells and whistles for the launcher, will those break the Linux solution too? It sounds like a proprietary windows only Eve is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/37 "2023-10-21T20:32:30Z")
They dont support linux anyway. Mac and windows only are officially supported ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/38 "2023-10-21T20:55:22Z")
> [@CCP\_Arcade](#): > > Our continued support of these operating systems has now significantly impacted the team’s ability to maintain and develop new feature sets. Out of interest, which feature sets? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/39 "2023-10-21T21:04:19Z")
> [@Lifeless\_Clone](#): > > Have you actually checked the numbers? is there a way to assess how many EVE players you are about to boot out?. An insignificant number, just look at the steam hardware survey from last month [https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam) Windows 7 was 0.06% of all users and windows 8.1 made up a massive 0.18%, at this point you’re looking at 0.24% so less than 1/4 of 1% Its a pretty insignificant number of people to lose tbh > [@Estrellita\_Luz](#): > > Well, not everyone, especially at the moment has the money straight away to go out and buy a new computer … To be fair, you were told years ago that windows 7 was EoL, have you not been able to save up enough for a newer version of windows in those 3 years? > [@Maressa](#): > > Steam can kiss my ass, and so can this game. And you’ll find more and more games will be doing it, so you can feel free to sit there on 7 all you want, its your list of games which is going to get smaller 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/40 "2023-10-21T21:10:59Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > And you’ll find more and more games will be doing it, so you can feel free to sit there on 7 all you want, its your list of games which is going to get smaller 🙂 They won’t admit it in public ofc. They can only cling to Windows 7 for so long. 😈 They will come to the light and glory that is Windows 11 or just quit PC gaming all together. > [@Cypherous](#): > > Windows 7 was 0.06% of all users and windows 8.1 made up a massive 0.18%, at this point you’re looking at 0.24% so less than 1/4 of 1% Oh less than 1/4 of 1%. 🤣 > [@Ymerrrog](#): > > Dumb response. We need all the players we can get at this stage Do we _ **REALLY** _ need that 1/4 of 1% of you people useing Windows 7? 🤔 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=3)