# Updated System Requirements - Discontinue Windows 7 and 8 Support **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [October 16, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047 "2023-10-16T14:54:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kariemi\_Tekitsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kariemi_tekitsu/32/440317_2.png) [@Kariemi\_Tekitsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kariemi_Tekitsu)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/83 "2023-10-27T12:20:21Z")
re time wise: Read the EULA and TOS. CCP as part of the legal contract it has with you reserves the right to cease providing gaming services - that would include changing such substantial requirements, or ceasing provision to users of other OSs - with one month notice. We did get that one-month notice per email - or at least i got 37 mails for it clogging up my email - as well as now via in-product (in launcher). That system requirements were going to change was clear the moment they announced preliminary requirements for the Vanguard Playtest. Because, and i don’t think people realize that, Vanguard will be “integrated” in the Eve client. Meaning they’ll iterate Eve Online users towards those requirements overall. Personally? I have a Win10 Laptop. I’ll be doing PI on that, that’s what that crippled bloatware OS is at best good for. And then give it a month or two post-Dec-7th to see whether Eve still works on Proton. Either way my subscriptions end in May. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/84 "2023-10-27T12:58:42Z")
Oh well ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/85 "2023-10-27T13:10:24Z")
Can @Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras have your stuff while you still can sign in before you quit EVE? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/86 "2023-10-27T13:37:36Z")
Time is running out too as _we are positive that would require many contracts in many stations along with being many systems_ Uriel do you even think about this before you make such bold requests from Capsuleers? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/87 "2023-10-27T13:40:04Z")
A small price to pay for not wasting his stuff so it is the absolute least he should do before quitting. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/88 "2023-10-27T13:44:01Z")
Do you agree that dueling in New Eden begins first on the forums? Lays down a white frosted glove! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/89 "2023-10-27T13:45:52Z")
It can begin on the forums but not necessarily (it can begin in-game too or elsewhere on the internet as well). ---
**Author:** ![Terra\_Mino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terra_mino/32/391835_2.png) [@Terra\_Mino](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terra_Mino)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/90 "2023-10-27T14:44:22Z")
The number of people who believe that upgrading to Windows 10 will cost over €1,000 or that Microsoft is stealing their files is staggering. Windows 7 is outdated in the world of software. If you’re genuinely concerned that your data might be compromised by switching to Windows 10/11, but don’t spare a thought for the numerous malware threats that Windows 7 is vulnerable to, it indicates a lack of understanding about computers. Malware developers don’t even need to actively create software to exploit Windows 7, as the operating system no longer receives updates that could neutralize such threats. Remaining on Windows 7 is a disaster waiting to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kerl\_Xplore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerl_xplore/32/391838_2.png) [@Kerl\_Xplore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerl_Xplore)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/91 "2023-10-27T14:47:37Z")
+1 in support of the decision here CCP. Statistics on Win7 & 8 don’t lie. It’s a good time to move on from non-MSFT supported OS’. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Tanzubbora\_Adran\_Quzx\_pon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanzubbora_adran_quzx_pon/32/414339_2.png) [@Tanzubbora\_Adran\_Quzx\_pon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanzubbora_Adran_Quzx_pon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/92 "2023-10-27T16:59:01Z")
[Support for Windows 7 & 8 will end soon | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/support-for-windows-7-and-8-will-end-soon?utm_source=launcher&origin=launcher&utm_content=en) This, I think this is dumb. I am not affected by this change, but I think its dumb, nonetheless. It feels anti-inclusive. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/93 "2023-10-27T17:27:40Z")
So the fact that Microsoft doesnt support them, you think ccp should too? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/94 "2023-10-27T18:27:27Z")
> [@Tanzubbora\_Adran\_Quzx\_pon](#): > > This, I think this is dumb. I am not affected by this change, but I think its dumb, nonetheless. It feels anti-inclusive. What about the Window’s Vista players!? 🤣 I think they like to be included! Where do we draw the line? Please tell us. 😂 😂 **What is that line where something is “INCLUSIVE” and when something is “ANTI-INCLUSIVE?”** Glad you are not CEO of a multimillion dollar company. ---
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/95 "2023-10-27T18:37:32Z")
They supported it 3 years longer than Microsoft did. Running windows 7/8 with out security updates is madness. The longer it goes the harder graphics and other drivers would be to support. 3 years past the manufacturer EOL is pretty damn generous. ---
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/96 "2023-10-27T18:40:33Z")
Giving notice is a fair complaint. However, Microsoft hasnt supported this OS since 2020. Thats 3 years. Continuing to use it while MS warns you to upgrade is literally the request you are asking ccp to make. Running an EOL OS is a terrible practice and puts you at all sorts of risks. ---
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/97 "2023-10-27T18:54:07Z")
If you are on an out of band OS MS listening to what you do and keeping your data safe is the least of your worries. You are on a non-secure os that is no longer maintained and is vulnerable. Connecting it to the internet is exposing you to far more risks than MS’s data harvesting. ---
**Author:** ![Press\_i](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/press_i/32/391855_2.png) [@Press\_i](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Press_i)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/98 "2023-10-27T19:50:12Z")
I’m running Windows 8 on a pretty new 12th gen Intel I5, DDR5, Nvidia gtx 1080 desktop. It’s running 10-years oldler OS amazingly smoothy and (unlinke Windows 10/11 machine) it will continue to do so after 5 or more years, as it won’t get cluttered with adverts, spyware and bloat that is being served with each new update MS releases 🫤. Buying a new gaming PC today and planning on using it till 2027 I would rather install Windows 8 which it can run better than any 2012 machine would, than run Windows 11 at 2027 update level - OS made for 2027 hardware So why is CCP really dropping support for Windows 7 & 8? Not because of the game but because of their new launcher which is hardly any better, except for not allowing for downloading data on deamd 🙃. It’s based on Electron framework which is basically Chromium which recantly dropped support for Windows 7 & 8 and CCP will soon be forced to do the same. This means that if someone figures out how to avoid launcher updates and bypass version checks the game may actually continue to work on 7&8 for a bit longer. I do have Windows 10 dualbooted, so I think I’ll continue to play, but likely less often (and less often buy omega) as launching the game would require restarting the computer. ---
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/99 "2023-10-27T20:02:19Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > It’s running 10-years oldler OS amazingly smoothy and (unlinke Windows 10/11 machine) it will continue to do so after 5 or more years, as it won’t get cluttered with adverts, spyware and bloat that is being served with each new update MS releases 🫤. No, but you will be open to every single exploit in the os from January 2023 forward. This can be everything from minor security flaws to literal OS takeovers. So yeah… having MS install something during a patch might be inconvenient, but it beats someone literally able to access your OS, steal what they can, and use you as an attack vector for other people and their machines. [Here’s a list of just the exploits from this year.](https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-26434/Microsoft-Windows-8.1.html?page=1&year=2023&order=3&trc=62&sha=ae11b299450eb063009b4e721bdde3ed4b95bdc1) Windows 8’s last sec patch I believe was January? This list will only grow over time and get more and more dangerous. There are websites like Shodan where you can literally scan every IP in the world and look for nasty little things like these. And then exploit them. Folks that want to can look for you and exploit unpatched vulnerabilities. No you dont have to upgrade if you dont want to. But keep in mind NOT updating because you dont like X or Y doesnt mean you wont be exposed to other things that are FAR worse than what you are concerned with. Do what you like, but you are playing a dangerous game. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/100 "2023-10-27T20:08:20Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > So why is CCP really dropping support for Windows 7 & 8? Because they don’t want to commit dev resources to a platform that is unsupported by Microsoft as stated by the many posts here. No need to tinfoil hat this. That’s literally all CCP is doing. > [@Press\_i](#): > > Buying a new gaming PC today and plannong on using it till 2017 I would rather install Windows 8 which it can run better than any 2012 machine would, than run Windows 11 at 2027 update level - OS made for 2027 hardware I cannot understand this sentence. It is 2023 not 2017. idk what you are on about here. > [@Press\_i](#): > > I’m running Windows 8 on a pretty new 12th gen Intel I5, DDR5, Nvidia gtx 1080 desktop. You need a new GPU in a few years lol. EDIT: YOU NEED A NEW GPU 🤣 I got a 3070 TI (8gb ram on the GPU) 32gb of ram and an Intel i9 12th gen on my gaming laptop. Runs fantastic and the cooling is awesome. 2022 was a great year for GPUs, technology, the gaming laptop, and PCs. **Go right ahead dude run Windows 7/8 I like the latest OS with latest security features to protect me against hackers and viruses.** ---
**Author:** ![Press\_i](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/press_i/32/391855_2.png) [@Press\_i](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Press_i)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/101 "2023-10-27T20:33:16Z")
Cases of someone getting their **personal** computer infected because of not installing updates are extremally rare, I’ve not heard of a single one. Of course stying on old OS is **NOT ADVISABLE** for people who don’t have a lot of computer experience, but many EVE players actually do. EVE, being a sci-fi game whith operating system - like interface attracts such people. The vas majority of hacker attacks require some social engineering and input from the user. I use a modern browser and never give admin access to untrusted programs > [@Pyrostasis](#): > > There are websites like Shodan where you can literally scan every IP in the world and look for nasty little things like these. And then exploit them. Folks that want to can look for you and exploit unpatched vulnerabilities. Personal computers are not servers and they don’t get a public IP adress (the router does) and dont’t host anything. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I cannot understand this sentence. It is 2023 not 2017. idk what you are on about here. Read the post I replied to EDIT: I meant 2027 not 2017 > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > latest security features to protect me against hackers and viruses. What you don’t realise is that Windows 10 and 11 have many of their features based on internet services making them more vunerelable to Zero-Day exploits from which updates cannot save you. You mean security features like this one? ```auto https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/qualcomm-8cx-gen-3-too-dangerous-to-deploy/ ``` Everthing is fine unless data leaks from Microsoft ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/102 "2023-10-27T20:44:54Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > Of course stying on old OS is **NOT ADVISABLE** for people who don’t have a lot of computer experience, but many EVE players actually do. Steam is phasing out Windows 7 according to a helpful link from @Noot_Dnilb (Post 42) So, I don’t know man. Looks like it’s a rock and a hard place. The corporations want us to upgrade and welp that’s what we gotta do if you want video games. **There is no good solution to any of it but I am just an average joe gamer here. I like steam so I am on windows 11. I like EVE so I am not on Windows 7/8.** I get the concerns from Windows 11 and you are right. They are probably really valid. But I still need an OS to do my stuff on. So what would a person like me do? What are my options? I am not just going to quit my favorite hobby because of security risks. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=6)