# Updated System Requirements - Discontinue Windows 7 and 8 Support **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [October 16, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047 "2023-10-16T14:54:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/103 "2023-10-27T20:47:10Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > Cases of someone getting their **personal** computer infected because of not installing updates are extremally rare, I’ve not heard of a single one. > > Of course stying on old OS is **NOT ADVISABLE** for people who don’t have a lot of computer experience, but many EVE players actually do. > EVE, being a sci-fi game whith operating system - like interface attracts such people. > > The vas majority of hacker attacks require some social engineering and input from the user. I use a modern browser and never give admin access to untrusted programs You are drastically misinformed if you think personal computers dont get infected by ignoring security updates. But hey its not my computer, you do you. Lots of hacks are definitely done by social engineering, but assuming you are safe on an unpatched OS is just crazy to me. If endpoints didnt need patching a lot of us that do this for a living would have far easier lives. I’ll make sure to call tenable and let them know we no longer need their services as OS patches are never exploited. > [@Press\_i](#): > > Personal computers are not servers and they don’t get a public IP adress (the router does) and dont’t host anything. I’m sure your consumer grade router will keep you safe! That might keep you safe from being scanned by Shodan but you literally are interacting with websites and other things in your daily driving of that pc and all of those interactions are going to be vulnerable. Authenticating to a website, using a service, ecommerce, if you are on the internet your NAT isnt going to keep you safe. I also hope you’ve updated the firmware in your router recently, Im sure you have. > [@Press\_i](#): > > vunerelable to Zero-Day exploits That will get patched… meanwhile you are rocking an OS with 50+ KNOWN vulnerabilities that you arent concerned about cause your top tier consumer grade router has you safe. The house has a gas leak, but you are living in it. You KNOW there is a gas leak, but you dont like the new house. So you arent moving! As opposed to the new house, that MAY have a leak that if it does the land lord will fix. Which one of those sounds smarter? > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > So what would a person like me do? What are my options? I am not just going to quit my favorite hobby because of security risks. There are possible security risks and there are active security risks. Using an out dated OS is embracing ACTIVE security risks because you are scared of possible security risks. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/104 "2023-10-27T20:49:56Z")
> [@Pyrostasis](#): > > There are possible security risks and there are active security risks. Using an out dated OS is embracing ACTIVE security risks because you are scared of possible security risks. Yup. It’s a strange hill to die on for these Windows 7/8 lads. ---
**Author:** ![Pyrostasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyrostasis/32/423815_2.png) [@Pyrostasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyrostasis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/105 "2023-10-27T20:51:55Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Yup. It’s a strange hill to die on for these Windows 7/8 lads. I mean its a free country. Everyones welcome to do what they want. I just find it crazy to do something to be more safe… but you are exposing yourself to known things that keep you from being safe. It literally makes 0 sense. ---
**Author:** ![Press\_i](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/press_i/32/391855_2.png) [@Press\_i](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Press_i)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/106 "2023-10-27T20:57:33Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Steam is phasing out Windows 7 There are alternatives to steam like [Gog.com](http://Gog.com), which sell new games without DRM so you con’t have to rely on any company’s “support” to play them > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > So what would a person like me do? What are my options? I am not just going to quit my favorite hobby because of security risks. Use what you like, that’s what I’m saying. I’ve been running an outdated OS for many years and never had problems, but of course your experience may have been different. It all depends on whether you want to prioritize performance and usage experience or getting software and security support It’s kind of sad that that’s another game that dropps support for older OS because of a Launcher and not features of the game itself. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/107 "2023-10-27T21:01:02Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > There are alternatives to steam like [Gog.com](http://Gog.com), 🤮 🤮 🤮 > [@Press\_i](#): > > It’s kind of sad that that’s another game that dropps support for older OS because of a Launcher and not features of the game itself. Trend is only going to continue. Cling to the last of Windows 7/8 while you can… Fly safe I guess o7 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/108 "2023-10-27T21:46:18Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Fly safe I guess 10… fixed 😜 Windows 10 was just a reskin ---
**Author:** ![Ceema](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ceema/32/381241_2.png) [@Ceema](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ceema)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/109 "2023-10-28T01:53:45Z")
Hey, so I see you’re discontinuing Support for Windows 7 and 8, but what about Windows ME? ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/110 "2023-10-28T02:17:35Z")
Does this mean the EVE DOS launcher is also end of support? ---
**Author:** ![Ceema](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ceema/32/381241_2.png) [@Ceema](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ceema)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/111 "2023-10-28T03:09:33Z")
Well damn. If we can’t use EVE DOS, we can’t load Windows 3.1 EVE ---
**Author:** ![Train\_55](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/train_55/32/391898_2.png) [@Train\_55](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Train_55)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/112 "2023-10-28T04:26:48Z")
Bye bye EvE for another 5 years ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/113 "2023-10-28T13:14:35Z")
Why 5 years? Why so specific? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/114 "2023-10-28T19:19:44Z")
> [@Sepakner](#): > > If there was a reliable way to block or separate MS from my data I’d take it, but MS is hot on closing those loopholes. > I’d use Linux but from where I sit, compatibility issues look like a nightmare? There is. If you don’t want the trivial levels of telemetry, then spend the 90 bucks to get a windows pro license, which isn’t subsidized by bloatware and advertising. The exact same way that it was with previous low trash tier licenses, even on windows 7. What type of smart phone do you have? It is extremely unlikely that it is running anything other than android or ios, given that you think you are aware of ‘dAtA gAtHeRiNg!.!.!’ from microsoft. Those software vendors know where you work, where you doctors office is most likely located, your work schedule, tastes in music, food etc. Yes, it knows those things even if you aren’t using the preinstalled apps on the phone that you deem are data collectors. It doesn’t need you to use them to collect data about you. What browser do you use? Is it google chrome? Safari? Firefox? It gathers EVERYTHING about you, even when in incognito/private mode. > [@Sepakner](#): > > MS entire growth strategy for the next decades is to milk their clients computers for every byte of data they can get, and eventually create the walled garden that Apple enjoys. > If the EU were to interfere with this strategy it would be a disaster for them. You obviously haven’t read a news article in the last 10-15 years or been paying attention to the direction MS has been going in their business models. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/115 "2023-10-28T19:42:28Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > Cases of someone getting their **personal** computer infected because of not installing updates are extremally rare, I’ve not heard of a single one. Is that a joke? Unpatched vulnerabilities are nearly the only way an attacker can compromise a computer. If you haven’t heard of a single one, it is because you have had your head in the sand or up somewhere else. Patching vulnerabities also break many attacks that require user interaction to carry out via social engineering, but that is irelevent. Skipping patching means that social engineering does not need to be used. Especially against an OS as bad and full of holes as Windows 7. > [@Press\_i](#): > > Personal computers are not servers and they don’t get a public IP adress (the router does) and dont’t host anything. Even if that were always true, it doesn’t matter. Few attacks require direct inbound internet access. It is not the 90s. Nevermind that the router someone who believes as you undoubtedly do, won’t protect you from anything other than the most casual inbound attacks anyways > [@Press\_i](#): > > What you don’t realise is that Windows 10 and 11 have many of their features based on internet services making them more vunerelable to Zero-Day exploits from which updates cannot save you. > > You mean security features like this one? > > ```auto > https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/qualcomm-8cx-gen-3-too-dangerous-to-deploy/ > > ``` > > Everthing is fine unless data leaks from Microsoft No, they don’t. Nevermind that most zero day exploits take some time to figure out how to use, they get patched and then they are gone. Windows 7 doesn’t need zero day exploits, it is absolutely riddled with widely known and widely exploited bugs that free opensource tools a first semester computer sciences student can implement. Also nevermind that several of those ‘internet services’ have massively hardened PCs over what is possible over a standalone machine without any central, immutable authority. You either didn’t read the qualcomm 8cx article or you did not even begin to comprehend what you read at even the most primitive level. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/117 "2023-10-29T06:43:10Z")
Nothing to be afraid of Uriel I duel all the time, please pick up the glove! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/118 "2023-10-29T08:06:12Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > pick up the glove [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/9/b/b9b9255f4f9677e2a39ba2c598d092df80ab3488.jpeg "Duel: Ataru vs Mendo - Urusei Yatsura 2022 Clip") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edtVcgj3bc8) ---
**Author:** ![Press\_i](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/press_i/32/391855_2.png) [@Press\_i](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Press_i)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/119 "2023-10-29T10:20:09Z")
> [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](#): > > Especially against an OS as bad and full of holes as Windows 7. **Windows 7 (and 8) is a static OS**. It was created in 2009 with certain features and a fixed amount of vulnerabilities associated with them. Some of them were patched some were not, but at leat the are **known** , so you can mitigate them. Those mitigations usually involve disabling some remote access feature which I have probably already disabled as useless. (and most of them are disabled by default in non-enterprise environments) **Windows 10 (and 11) is an OS that is in constant development** New features are added and removed whenever Microsoft wishes to do so and there is no way they had been tested enough before deployment. So you **never know what to expect** I admit I do not follow all of the CVE stuff but if something that allows for remote access without any of those “remote” features and on a computer that is directly exposed gets discovered, there will be more noise about it. Hacking is not magic > [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](#): > > Also nevermind that several of those ‘internet services’ have massively hardened PCs over what is possible over a standalone machine without any central, immutable authority. It sounds like something ripped off from Microsoft marketing campaign. If a computer is not connected to the internet it is always going to be safer than a connected one, no matter how secure. Similarly, Exposing more software components to the internet is never a good strategy. I wonder what 2025 is gonna be like for all those Windows 10 users having their software **exposed to the internet and support from Microsoft cutted off…** And finally why would anyone concentrate their hacking effort on people running a niche system configurations like adblocker in the browser, some services disabled and outdated OS. From now on Windows 7 & 8 will be getting safer as the user base decreases. The reason Apple Mac was considered much more secure was because of lower user base and therefore low interest from hackers. Especially when there is a lot to dig for in Windows 10 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/120 "2023-10-29T12:06:50Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > From now on Windows 7 & 8 will be getting safer as the user base decreases. But I like playing games and face it GoG is not steam 😂 the AAA titles and newer games will not support this. You know it deep down eventually you will be forced to upgrade if you like videogames made in 2017 and beyond. > [@Press\_i](#): > > I wonder what 2025 is gonna be like for all those Windows 10 users having their software **exposed to the internet and support from Microsoft cutted off…** I wonder too 🤔 Oh wait they just upgrade. > [@Press\_i](#): > > **Windows 7 (and 8) is a static OS**. > It was created in 2009 See you in 2029. ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Vandyre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_vandyre/32/377657_2.png) [@Maxine\_Vandyre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Vandyre)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/121 "2023-10-29T22:48:45Z")
Remember back in the days of Empyrean Age, where there were two clients you could download? One good client, and one “minimum effort” client that gave you the bare essentials to play the game, and nothing more? Would there be a wisdom in a “Cheap Bastard” client? I’d use it just to keep the overheads on 8 Alts low for the PC I’ve got… ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/122 "2023-10-29T23:26:15Z")
> [@Maxine\_Vandyre](#): > > Remember back in the days of Empyrean Age This was during the age when literally getting ram on a good PC was top dollar lol. People shelled out the money to get that 16gb ram. > [@Maxine\_Vandyre](#): > > Would there be a wisdom in a “Cheap Bastard” client? I’d use it just to keep the overheads on 8 Alts low for the PC I’ve got… Ram and processors are pretty cheap compared to what people had around 2008. It’s GPUs that cost the big bucks now. I would say getting enough ram + enough cooling + a good processor + a reasonable GPU 2000 series or 3000 series is a wise move to be playing EVE on a professional level multiboxing 8+ alts. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047/123 "2023-10-30T04:05:35Z")
> [@Press\_i](#): > > **Windows 7 (and 8) is a static OS**. > It was created in 2009 with certain features and a fixed amount of vulnerabilities associated with them. > Some of them were patched some were not, but at leat the are **known** , so you can mitigate them. > > Those mitigations usually involve disabling some remote access feature which I have probably already disabled as useless. (and most of them are disabled by default in non-enterprise environments) Not a single part of that is even remotely correct. Windows 7 is an unmitigable disaster at this stage in its life. Patches do not simply ‘turn something off.’ [quote=“Press i, post:119, topic:424047, username:Press\_i”] I admit I do not follow all of the CVE stuff[/quote] That much is obvious. Are you sure you didn’t get lost on your way to the world of warcraft forum? > [@Press\_i](#): > > It sounds like something ripped off from Microsoft marketing campaign. No, it is just how things work and it doesn’t matter if its apple, google or microsoft. > [@Press\_i](#): > > If a computer is not connected to the internet it is always going to be safer than a connected one, no matter how secure. That is also entirely false. The earliest malware existed long before the internet did. A computer not connected to the internet without any centralized rights management, authentication or other encryption providers is staggeringly less secure that what is available at consumer levels of those products. > [@Press\_i](#): > > I wonder what 2025 is gonna be like for all those Windows 10 It won’t be anywhere near as bad as Windows 7 was, which was veritably falling apart near the end of its support life cycle. WIndows 8 and later are fundamentally better operating systems in terms of security, but in 2025 people who are not complete and utter morons will upgrade their OS regardless. > [@Press\_i](#): > > And finally why would anyone concentrate their hacking effort on people running a niche system That was the apple and linux argument. It wasn’t valid 15 years ago and it isn’t valid today. Attackers don’t just stop attacking old exploits because few people use the impacted systems, they just add the to normal repetoire of attacks. Obscurity does not provide the smallest degree of security. this idea was debunked entirely in the 90s. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-discontinue-windows-7-and-8-support/424047.md?page=7)