# Upgrade Upwell Strukture's to the next size **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 25, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106 "2018-04-25T18:20:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/41 "2018-04-30T20:17:12Z")
You’re right, they have to come from the Fortizar 5,000km off on the same grid instead. Which I guess is a little harder. But they can most certainly have that kind of force prepositioned either way. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/42 "2018-04-30T20:21:45Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Which I guess is a little harder. It offers the potential for interdiction, which is huge. The defending location would have tethers available; defending capitals would be free to deaggress and repair at will, while the fort’s defenses peel all scrams which would otherwise prevent them from docking up. Carriers now have an academically limitless number of fighters, faxes will never run out of cap charges, and dreads are free to break tether to blap targets of opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Akama\_Atrocitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akama_atrocitus/32/61417_2.png) [@Akama\_Atrocitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akama_Atrocitus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/43 "2018-04-30T23:44:54Z")
one thing is clear it should not be able to upgrade day one, more like a month or more after anchoring/upgradeing for starting each step. also it should be a staged upgrade. aka: if you drop a astrahus you first have to upgrade to a fortizar befor you are able to upgrade to a keepstar. linear progression is the word here . ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/44 "2018-05-03T00:26:42Z")
> [@Akama\_Atrocitus](#): > > one thing is clear it should not be able to upgrade day one, more like a month or more after anchoring/upgrading for starting each step. also it should be a staged upgrade. aka: if you drop a astrahus you first have to upgrade to a fortizar before you are able to upgrade to a keepstar. > > linear progression is the word here . ^^ I support this. ---
**Author:** ![Valdr\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valdr_auduin/32/22072_2.png) [@Valdr\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valdr_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/45 "2018-05-03T01:55:04Z")
if you add the initial cost of the base citadel plus the upgrade, yes, it is cheaper than the cost of the base citadel plus the newer bigger citadel, but still more expensive than the cost of the newer bigger citadel by itself, which is actually a fairly wide margin to find some kind of equitable material cost balance that works out into the affordability range at max skill(s), not considering the vastly increased time-cost of the upgrade process initial cost=x upgrade cost=y new citadel cost=z z\ **Author:** ![Valdr\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valdr_auduin/32/22072_2.png) [@Valdr\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valdr_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/46 "2018-05-03T01:59:51Z") citadel services deactivate, incrementally?, while under upgrades, if it takes multiple days to upgrade, then at the three-day mark the shields go offline, now a cit with two damage cap timers has to survive for three days with no defences or assets ---
**Author:** ![Igzorn\_Buelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/igzorn_buelle/32/275015_2.png) [@Igzorn\_Buelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Igzorn_Buelle)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/47 "2018-05-03T19:16:23Z")
it might be to harsh but ofc while upgradeing there no docking and or sevice online (to many nanites flying around to be healthy for humans of anykind) but exact times i guess is in the hands of ccp to set. in and additional thought it might should trigger the safety system for stuff that is in the stations while the upgrade is initialized. ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/48 "2018-05-03T19:32:13Z")
Depending on the station design it may or may not experience any down time or go completely off line. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upgrade-upwell-struktures-to-the-next-size/72106/49 "2018-08-01T19:32:15Z")
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