# Upwell ship and a new t2 orca l **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 17, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upwell-ship-and-a-new-t2-orca-l/479892 "2025-03-17T18:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1
**Author:** ![Random\_Kayos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/random_kayos/32/450784_2.png) [@Random\_Kayos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Random_Kayos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upwell-ship-and-a-new-t2-orca-l/479892/1 "2025-03-17T18:54:57Z")
I am not a miner in eve but i have been on worm hole adventures with very low skills with a corp an we made do with a few of us bastar$ fitting ships so we could mine i personally mined with a ferox and a battle ship mined maybe a quarter as good as a mining barge if that looked cool mining but at the time i had very limited skills but eventually got into a mining barge fitting mining lazors on ships never designed to use them. Many players have to make do until skills are built up Orca t2 should be allowed to have both mining ships an armed ships in it bay this would enable a small corp to have the ability to both mine an fight in lower sec space! Without being a total sitting duck The same for the new upwell ships yea they can fight some which is good but with a hanger bay it would give smaller corps a lot more options. An yes there still going to get destroyed a lot by bigger forces or roving gangs or larger rat spawns Make a t2 orca that can fit at least a small pos yes its a mini carrier yes it should be able to fight some but no not like a big carrier the whole ship would be a stepping stone to a carrier. The ship should have room for four drake size ships an four mining barges. Giving a smaller corp the ability to put together a small wh operation under 4 billion isk or if not the orca then the upwell ship or even if you have to dock 2 upwell ships to make the operation work Using the upwell ship would bring the cost way down Naking the risk/reward even more feasible for smaller operations Also love the concept of the upwell ships i think you put way to many restrictions on them for planetary use only! An only bonus for missiles upwell is a neutral build like mining ships right The wepons should cover all factions an im caldari An another thing rats in hi sec belts rats should reflect the sec your in the lower the sec the more powerful the rats what you currently have in 1 space is fine giving new players a taste of whats to come. But they should come more offten an by the time you get to .05 space the should represent at least lvl 3 mission rats an lvl 4 at 04 space an more offen in cluding roving tygaren rats that will attack after a 2 minute timer! By doing this gives players real training the deeper in eve they go fight or run giving mining support ships training in shield repping ship repair an bringing fighting ships to bare on targets not say the rats are so strong they overwhelmed an orca but are a real threat to mining barges asleep at the wheel at point 05 space a tream of three ship drones should be able to fend them off or miners can hire other players to defend the fleet or other corporations to potect the fleet in any sec by contract the mercenaries corp cannot attack the mining corp under contract any loss of protectees cuts into the mercenaries deposits an payouts An even be fined for not engaging All mercenaries should be hired thru a mercenaries agent who sets up the contract per hour who offers dead space fits an hi lp for mercenaries in good standings Sorry for rambling on so long --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upwell-ship-and-a-new-t2-orca-l/479892)._