# Urgent Communique to Ishukone Corporation re: I-RED Disobedience of Order **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782 "2021-11-08T18:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/81 "2021-11-09T14:01:52Z")
> [@Lilliana\_Tal-Akron](#): > > In the defense of Arshat Is not pertinent to the core issue addressed by the original poster. Praise of a successful defence against Triglavians in Domain is hardly applicable to offensive operations against alleged Kybernauts in the State. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_maxwell/32/319582_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Maxwell)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/82 "2021-11-09T15:10:19Z")
I would like to simply note that I-RED is not blue to EM. Otherwise, I have little to say on this issue currently. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/83 "2021-11-09T15:29:00Z")
A distinction with the narrowest of differences. Material support speaks louder than diplomatic technicality. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/84 "2021-11-09T15:44:03Z")
Ultimately, this is what happens when you allow the unwashed heathens free will. It is better they are brought into the Amarrian fold whether it be serfdom or as a Viceroyalty, much like the Ammatar. ---
**Author:** ![Danuvia\_Za](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/danuvia_za/32/459101_2.png) [@Danuvia\_Za](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Danuvia_Za)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/85 "2021-11-09T16:17:27Z")
Duelling I can get behind! You folks aren’t half bad! If you want, the galaxy’s best duel ground is in over in Krai Perun space. I heartily endorse it. May the Proving begin! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/86 "2021-11-09T16:20:32Z")
Yes, working together to shoot Trigs and their lapdogs is hardly the same as working together to shoot Trigs and their lapdogs. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/87 "2021-11-09T18:34:07Z")
To work together against Triglavians require there be some, do you know something about Eruka that has passed the rest of us by? ---
**Author:** ![Mikal\_Vektor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikal_vektor/32/267041_2.png) [@Mikal\_Vektor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikal_Vektor)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/88 "2021-11-09T18:42:19Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](#): > > I would like to simply note that I-RED is not blue to EM. Otherwise, I have little to say on this issue currently. Downplaying the act of fleeting with an enemy - with all it entails, by referencing your lack of blue standings - is akin to reassuring your friend of how dull your knife is, as you pull it from deep in their back. I’m all for maintaining physical fitness in the context of combat readiness, but I think we can all agree that this particular flavor of mental gymnastics is of little benefit to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/89 "2021-11-09T18:48:19Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > do you know something about Eruka that has passed the rest of us by? I know that opposing a bunch of flunkies and henchmen working to further their masters’ purposes _is_ opposing those masters. One does not, after all, have to shoot Arrach Sarum on Floseswin IV to actively oppose Sarum’s efforts at a planet-wide Reclaiming. Gaven and Luna can’t be the _only_ Amarr around here educated by competent teachers, can they? ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/90 "2021-11-09T19:11:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > flunkies and henchmen working to further their masters’ purposes Are generally in possession of enough information _to_ serve those masters’ purposes, something you’ve argued ad nauseam, and in my judgement correctly, that in the case of these particular masters no capsuleer does; depending on whose facts one cleaves to, either an innocuous freeport was attacked— or an innnocuous freeport associated with reprobates with dubious taste in outerwear. Hardly something that by any reasonable metric warrants assisting Electus Matari in prosecuting military operations in the State, at least not by anyone with any loyalty whatsoever to it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/91 "2021-11-09T19:15:08Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > either an innocuous freeport was attacked— or an innnocuous freeport associated with reprobates with dubious taste in outerwear. Or a facility was attacked which was operated by and served the purposes of a group that functions as a front for the kybers, giving them additional revenue streams with which to attempt to advance their masters’ goals—even if their understanding of those goals is incomplete and flawed. Just because the Amarr ground-pounder is an illiterate brain-damaged idiot who doesn’t have the first clue what Arrach Sarum actually _wants_, that doesn’t mean shooting him isn’t opposing Arrach Sarum. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/93 "2021-11-09T20:18:44Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > assisting Electus Matari in prosecuting military operations in the State You got this the wrong way around, by the way - not that it matters much… But in this case here, EM is assisting _other_ Lux partners, in _their_ operations inside the State. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_maxwell/32/319582_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Maxwell)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/94 "2021-11-09T20:35:06Z")
No gymnastics. Ms. Kim brought up that CALSF were not blue to EM nor Snuff, and I was pointing out that I-RED is not blue to EM. In case she hadn’t known. I mean to imply nothing more than that. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/96 "2021-11-10T22:55:10Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](#): > > No gymnastics. Ms. Kim brought up that CALSF were not blue to EM nor Snuff, and I was pointing out that I-RED is not blue to EM. In case she hadn’t known. I mean to imply nothing more than that. Well, in that case I bring my apologies. Confirmed history of I-RED treasons made me assume they allied themselves together with Minmatar terrorists. However, could you answer me on the following question to make the situation clear and avoid further misunderstandings: Does I-RED collaborate with EM alliance against SESPS in the Forge region of Caldari State or no? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/urgent-communique-to-ishukone-corporation-re-i-red-disobedience-of-order/335782/97 "2022-02-08T22:56:02Z")
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