# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2140 "2018-12-13T20:52:58Z")
Making one even as good or peaceful is going to be an interesting challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2141 "2018-12-13T21:13:53Z")
There is _nothing_ good or peaceful about the current Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2143 "2018-12-13T21:56:40Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Making one even as good or peaceful is going to be an interesting challenge. Shoot everyone who believes the Reclaiming is a good idea. There, this problem took about a 15 seconds to solve. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2144 "2018-12-13T21:58:34Z")
Hmm, yes, lets remove a cultural foundation with violence. I’m sure whatever follows it will be lovely and peaceful. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2145 "2018-12-13T22:00:34Z")
Just like the Empire, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2146 "2018-12-13T22:01:45Z")
Because that worked so well for them right? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2147 "2018-12-13T22:04:09Z")
You might want to recalibrate your “is this a genuine solution to the Amarr Problem, in an off-topic thread” -detector. It’s like wew, people can suggest enslaving them Minmatars and nobody bats an eye, but make a stupid crack at them for a change and this happens. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2148 "2018-12-13T22:16:23Z")
Make stupid comments, get stupid answers I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2149 "2018-12-13T22:18:59Z")
uh … Teinyhr? It’s harder to recognize a proposal as a joke when you can find people (nearby, even, maybe) who do actually earnestly favor it. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2150 "2018-12-13T22:31:57Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > uh … Teinyhr? It’s harder to recognize a proposal as a joke when you can find people (nearby, even, maybe) who do actually earnestly favor it. I don’t really care. There are a bunch of people who casually throw around re-enslaving the free Minmatar - indeed, Amarr more or less still consider Republic rebel territories - making slights about genociding the Amarr in return really doesn’t seem disproportionate banter in my books. Edit: We even right now have an adjacent thread where Amarr are pretty much stroking each others proverbial phalluses about murdering those who want freedom, with their lasers of love. But sure, my nonchalant quip is the real issue here to be offended about. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2151 "2018-12-13T22:46:05Z")
Uh-huh. Well, if you’re okay with being misunderstood through no fault of the reader, I guess that’s … a thing I’ll try to be aware of when you seem to be saying something weird and extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2152 "2018-12-13T22:54:40Z")
Well is it really weird and extreme? I doubt it is a secret many people would consider the cluster a better place if the Amarr never crawled out of their planet. Well, marginally better I guess, Federation’s hegemony doesn’t sound too appealing either. Additional food for thought, Aria: Maybe your close ties with the Empire cloud your understanding just how reviled the Empire really is. Though I acknowledge that I might have similar confirmation biases due to the company I keep. And I mean, seriously, the amount of nutjobs with a sizable following that have splintered from the Empire is just too damn high. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2153 "2018-12-13T23:42:07Z")
Close as I am to the Empire, I interact more or less daily with a range of people who never let me forget for a second how widely the Empire’s reviled, how surrounded by enemies. I also interact daily with subjects of that same reviled Empire. I see their lives and daily struggles, their compassion and cruelty and arrogance and humility and cynicism and faith. I see how they care for their families … and how little care they sometimes show the families of others. They’re not unique in any of that. I see how some have hurt you and yours, and also how many were merely born into this place in the world. As in every nation, children do not choose who they are born as. Do what you must. We’ll do the same. And when it’s over, there will still be no justice in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2154 "2018-12-13T23:54:41Z")
It’ll never fail to amuse how you try and equivocate the various minor failings of civilized nations with the Empire’s violent and brutal subjugation of trillions as a cheap workforce. The Empire is quite demonstrably and unequivocally unique in the sheer staggering scale of its horrifying torment and suppression of quite literal trillions. They are very much unique among the four actual nations of New Eden in turning human beings into things. Property. It’s not how “some have hurt us and ours”, Aria, and you’re not stupid enough to believe it is. It’s how the entire nation is at its very core built around doing this to _our entire species, every last society of it._ How it right now as we speak not only slaughter who knows how many people who’s only crime is to yearn for freedom, but is raiding outside its borders trying to add to said suffering. Of course, it doesn’t count because you personally weren’t dehumanized and tormented by a few individuals among Empire capsuleers. Amusing… yet sad, knowing how full well you yourself know you can’t actually justify this stance. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2155 "2018-12-14T01:21:25Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > This world isn’t corrupt because of some evil you can purge; it isn’t even really corrupt. It’s just sort of jerry-rigged, full of people who’ve done what they could with what they had. Don’t go framing things in a way that makes out like the Amarr Empire is just ‘the best they could do’. It’s a framework designed from the ground up to achieve one goal, and one goal only: Maintaining and reinforcing the power of the people at the top. Everything else is just a means to that end. The Amarr faith, the Reclaiming, the Theology Council, all of it is just the machinery that powerful people designed to let them and their preferred successors cling to power and amass ever more of it. And anyone who objects is immediately declared to be in violation of the will of some supreme being that, despite being able to _literally create all of existence_, somehow can’t speak for itself. Yes, Aria, **it is corrupt**. It is designed to be corrupt. It was designed **by the corrupt** , for the benefit of the corrupt. Yes, it does a wonderful job of maintaining _order_, but that’s no virtue if the order being maintained is harmful and corrupt, as this one is. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Making one even as good or peaceful is going to be an interesting challenge. Making something as good as evil, or as peaceful as a systemic, prolonged act of violence isn’t really that much of a challenge. Utter _carnage_ fits the bill—at least it has the virtue of being _honest_. You see ‘peace’ because you sit near the top of a hierarchy designed to make things stable for those high up in it. You are a capsuleer, immediately above and outside of parts of the system designed to grind dissent into dust. You rub shoulders with Holders—legitimate members of the aristocracy, in a system built to protect the aristocracy. What the empire creates isn’t _peace_.. it’s _quiet_. And you seem to have lost the ability to tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2156 "2018-12-14T03:33:52Z")
> [@Update on Security of the Empire](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/1): > > perfecting human civilization. Sentiments expressed like this go a long way to explaining why I work so well with Krusual. Both the Gallente and Amarr suffer from a grand delusion that they, and they alone have to “perfect” humanity according to their own values. Saccharine words of good intentions cloaking the systematic abuses of a political order they created to serve their own vested interests. All for the good of those they exploit and oppress in accordance to their own misguided belief that their way of life must be the way of life of all the rest of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2157 "2018-12-14T05:24:46Z")
> [@Update on Security of the Empire](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/update-on-security-of-the-empire/126657/33): > > She is practical and levelheaded, and I honestly like her. At the same time, she is entirely willing to pull the trigger on innocents if she feels it is necessary. So when she says “burn the cluster”, I take her seriously. Wow. That’s the nicest thing anyone’s said about me for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shintoko_akahoshi/32/362016_2.png) [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shintoko_Akahoshi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2158 "2018-12-14T05:38:54Z")
It’s not meant to be complimentary, you know… ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2159 "2018-12-14T05:39:31Z")
I do, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2160 "2018-12-14T05:46:13Z")
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