# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/296 "2018-01-11T16:49:19Z")
šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/297 "2018-01-11T19:06:00Z")
> [@A Thread Of Kind Words](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thread-of-kind-words/7963/193): > > I know next to nothing about Mister Biko and yet he strikes me as someone cool as a cucumber. I can be chill when I find myself in a pickle. ---
**Author:** ![Yarosara\_Ruil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yarosara_ruil/32/191668_2.png) [@Yarosara\_Ruil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yarosara_Ruil)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/298 "2018-01-11T23:32:18Z")
Does that mean you use brine as pod goo? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/299 "2018-01-12T05:06:54Z")
> [@Aradina Varren, Aria Jenneth, and Edward Adams: Slave Killers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/aradina-varren-aria-jenneth-and-edward-adams-slave-killers/50176/28): > > the reckless and indifferent rationale behind your actions. He wasnā€™t being reckless _or_ indifferent. He wanted them to blow it up so he could post that thread and get everyone paying attention to him again and posting in his thread and bumping his threads back to the top again. This is a very firmly established pattern of Napkin-behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/300 "2018-01-12T09:28:40Z")
Donā€™t act like that was unexpected. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/301 "2018-01-12T09:28:55Z")
You know very well that I am. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/302 "2018-01-12T09:33:59Z")
> [@Aradina Varren, Aria Jenneth, and Edward Adams: Slave Killers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/aradina-varren-aria-jenneth-and-edward-adams-slave-killers/50176/25): > > I donā€™t quite understand why people seem to assume that I cling to people/causes for no reason. In general capsuleers seem to struggle to devote loyalty to anything. It seems to be anathema to many. I certainly havenā€™t seen any cause or person Iā€™d wholeheartedly devote myself to in quite some time. My allegiances in the past have been relatively fleeting. Based on her interactions with others. I do respect your current employer (nearly typed something else, donā€™t mind me) and perhaps were her sphere of influence other than it is I myself might be tempted to place myself under her wing. ---
**Author:** ![Tannia\_Ambrye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tannia_ambrye/32/410653_2.png) [@Tannia\_Ambrye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tannia_Ambrye)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/303 "2018-01-13T15:20:18Z")
> [@Announcement: God has Given the Achurans Over to Destruction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/announcement-god-has-given-the-achurans-over-to-destruction/49204/208): > > I am not an enemy of the State. I believe that the State should respond to this new Revelation from God by enslaving its Achuran population, to be sure, but that does not make me its enemy. Not an enemy of the State? Declares Achuran blood as a sacrificial rite. > [@Announcement: God has Given the Achurans Over to Destruction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/announcement-god-has-given-the-achurans-over-to-destruction/49204/1): > > THE BLOOD OF THE ACHURANS GIVES OCCULT POWERS TO THE CHOSEN Announces you will be attempting to enslave Achurans, members of the State, _and_ torture them. > [@Announcement: God has Given the Achurans Over to Destruction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/announcement-god-has-given-the-achurans-over-to-destruction/49204/1): > > Even now, my Slavers troll the slave markets of New Eden for Achurans, this newly revealed tribe of filthy Minmatar subhumans, to be brought to Mehatoor for an early preview of the Hell that awaits them in the life to come. States intent to attack the State personally or join GalMil to attack the State to get Achurans as slaves. > [@Announcement: God has Given the Achurans Over to Destruction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/announcement-god-has-given-the-achurans-over-to-destruction/49204/43): > > I wonder whether there are any SuVee convoys or mining operations in space that I might interdict. Or perhaps the Gallentean militia might let me join them Hmm. And you really want us to believe that your _not_ an enemy of the State and ā€œmerelyā€ want the State to enslave Achurans? The State, which has never practiced slavery, might I add. ---
**Author:** ![Slayer\_Liberator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slayer_liberator/32/398086_2.png) [@Slayer\_Liberator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slayer_Liberator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/304 "2018-01-13T16:44:26Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > In general capsuleers seem to struggle to devote loyalty to anything. It seems to be anathema to many. I certainly havenā€™t seen any cause or person Iā€™d wholeheartedly devote myself to in quite some time. My allegiances in the past have been relatively fleeting. Based on her interactions with others. I do respect your current employer (nearly typed something else, donā€™t mind me) and perhaps were her sphere of influence other than it is I myself might be tempted to place myself under her wing. I feel that for most of my corpmates and myself our loyalty to PanFam is more than our loyalty to any particular cause or ideal. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/305 "2018-01-13T17:45:24Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > In general capsuleers seem to struggle to devote loyalty to anything. It seems to be anathema to many. I certainly havenā€™t seen any cause or person Iā€™d wholeheartedly devote myself to in quite some time. My allegiances in the past have been relatively fleeting. Based on her interactions with others. I do respect your current employer (nearly typed something else, donā€™t mind me) and perhaps were her sphere of influence other than it is I myself might be tempted to place myself under her wing. On the contrary, I feel that way too many capsuleers devote their loyalty to one, often more than a little deranged person instead of a greater whole. Obvious example, large capsuleer alliances are to a degree personality cults and would if not outright fall apart, at least fracture if their most charismatic leaders disappear. It is why I canā€™t stand them. I could somewhat respect pilot Jenneth until she became just another lapdog of an Amarrian supremacist and sold her prinicples for a bowl of soup and a pat on the back. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/306 "2018-01-13T17:52:19Z")
Oh, things Iā€™d do for a well-cooked mealā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Jev\_North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jev_north/32/100533_2.png) [@Jev\_North](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jev_North)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/307 "2018-01-13T18:48:23Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I could somewhat respect pilot Jenneth until she became just another lapdog of an Amarrian supremacist and sold her prinicples for a bowl of soup and a pat on the back. And nothing of value was lost. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/308 "2018-01-13T19:11:58Z")
Iā€™m not quite sure what youā€™re trying to say. If you meant that my respect has no value, then Iā€™m sure youā€™re right, it only has value to someone who is looking for it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/309 "2018-01-13T20:01:18Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I could somewhat respect pilot Jenneth until she became just another lapdog of an Amarrian supremacist and sold her prinicples for a bowl of soup and a pat on the back. Okay, so, Iā€™m curious-- what principles do you feel I sold? > [@Teinyhr](#): > > Iā€™m not quite sure what youā€™re trying to say. If you meant that my respect has no value, then Iā€™m sure youā€™re right, it only has value to someone who is looking for it in the first place. Well ā€¦ itā€™s true that I see your judgments as being very much from your own perspective, and not very nuanced, so, in some sense they donā€™t carry a lot of weight with me. Only, itā€™s not like youā€™re one of the people I decided I shouldnā€™t (and maybe nobody should) ever listen to, either. Thatā€™s a pretty short list, though. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/310 "2018-01-13T20:04:29Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Okay, so, Iā€™m curious-- what principles do you feel I sold? Well, for one for a time you seemed to pride yourself as a super-neutral ā€œthere is something good in everythingā€, and well, even now, coddle Nauplius for example, yet you clearly finally picked your side and threatened my people and by extension my tribe, my clan and my family. And you call your slavedriver ā€œkindā€ whereas she is completely ok with the suffering of others. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/311 "2018-01-13T20:13:11Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > Obvious example, large capsuleer alliances are to a degree personality cults and would if not outright fall apart, at least fracture if their most charismatic leaders disappear. It is why I canā€™t stand them. This is really more true of the mid-sized groups, the 2-4000 pilot alliances. The largest groups only function because theyā€™re actually organizationally sound. And shut up, Slayer, I know I just said something nice about Horde. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/312 "2018-01-13T20:18:03Z")
Remember, by ā€˜kindā€™, she means ā€˜sheā€™s nice to me and the people I see around me in the buildingā€™. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/313 "2018-01-13T20:21:58Z")
I see. But, I donā€™t think you understood that principle from the start. (Itā€™s okay. Few do.) Itā€™s not that thereā€™s good in everything. I donā€™t really believe in either good or evil, as forces unto themselves, to begin with, even if I might sometimes use the words (I particularly try to avoid using the word ā€œevilā€ very much). Itā€™s more that I find dignity and worth in genuine feeling and sincere belief, whether I agree with it or not. That includes yours, and also my own. Youā€™re completely right that I chose my side: I stand with the Directrix. But I didnā€™t particularly want to threaten your people until you (and others) made it apparent that by choosing my side I became your enemy. So be it: Iā€™m your enemy. You donā€™t have to be ā€œevilā€ for me to harm you; nor do I need to dispute the particulars with you. You have your reasons, and thatā€™s okay. I have mine, too. Mine need not deny yours, nor yours mine. Weā€™re enemies-- you told me so in detail, and I believe you. Thatā€™s all the reason I need, or ever needed. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/314 "2018-01-13T20:41:12Z")
Teiny is just jealous that sheā€™s not as kind and popular as Luna. And kind to everyone, including slaves. She doesnā€™t keep any herself, by the way, as she is a commoner. ---
**Author:** ![kul\_Shaishi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kul_shaishi/32/245841_2.png) [@kul\_Shaishi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kul_Shaishi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/315 "2018-01-13T20:48:09Z")
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