# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 171
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3450 "2019-06-05T18:22:42Z")
It may have to wait for next week. This Triglavian nonsense and other duties may keep me in the Empire a while longer, but I’ve not forgotten! ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3451 "2019-06-07T20:50:26Z")
Wood/boner, hard-on ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3452 "2019-06-07T21:21:10Z")
> [@\[ARC\] Triglavian forces fighting in known space](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-forces-fighting-in-known-space/162495/137): > > > I have a friend who’s tempted that way. He’s not a bad person, but I think his heart’s been so broken by this world that he can’t see past a sort of generalized haze of horror. > > Yeah, trauma can do that to people. I got my hands on a copy of a recording made after a Sansha incursion where they were interviewing someone who actually _wanted_ to be taken. The man _knew_ he was going to be fitted with slave implants and turned into a True Slave with no will of his own, and he was actually _looking forward to it_ . > > God, that was one of the creepiest things I’ve ever seen. He had the worst thousand-klick stare imaginable, and his behavior was a textbook example for post-traumatic depression. The few times he smiled were even worse because he actually seemed… _heartbroken_ that the incursion had been driven off before they could take him. @Valiran_Teleros As the “heartbroken” friend of Aria, I thought I’d share a piece I wrote that may give some insight into people like me: [Nightmares](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=177772) ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3453 "2019-06-07T21:38:59Z")
Oh, hey! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3454 "2019-06-09T02:59:56Z")
> [@Triglavian management plan (1)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-management-plan-1/165333/10): > > (wise words for someone who won’t heed them) You know, I was just thinking about you today. Did I somehow mystically summon you? ---
**Author:** ![Sanguina\_Dieudonne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sanguina_dieudonne/32/140275_2.png) [@Sanguina\_Dieudonne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sanguina_Dieudonne)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3455 "2019-06-09T07:34:26Z")
> [@Considering the Blood Raider attacks on Sundsele](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/considering-the-blood-raider-attacks-on-sundsele/165175/40): > > Guess what. Being a Sabik is being free. From any authority but yourself. My blood sings in me and it says who I am. I am glad to see you’re finally coming out of Funk’s shadow. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3456 "2019-06-09T07:42:39Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Did I somehow mystically summon you? Fate can be a strange thing, but I think it was the blooders,rather then you… ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3457 "2019-06-09T09:12:52Z")
> [@Sanguina\_Dieudonne](#): > > I am glad to see you’re finally coming out of Funk’s shadow. If, by the grace of the Red God, she is somehow reborn, I’ll gladly offer myself to be back “in her shadow”. But for now it’s up to me to decide whether to awox the Covenant like the rest or not. It’s Delve ratting time. ---
**Author:** ![Sanguina\_Dieudonne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sanguina_dieudonne/32/140275_2.png) [@Sanguina\_Dieudonne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sanguina_Dieudonne)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3458 "2019-06-09T09:20:20Z")
With The Imperium deployed to Tribute, you might have an easier time of it now. Shame I am also deployed. It would have been enjoyable to meet up in KFIE or something. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3459 "2019-06-09T09:31:01Z")
> [@Sanguina\_Dieudonne](#): > > With The Imperium deployed to Tribute, you might have an easier time of it now. Shame I am also deployed. It would have been enjoyable to meet up in KFIE or something. Well, perhaps later. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3460 "2019-06-09T14:37:38Z")
> [@\[ARC\] Triglavian forces fighting in known space](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-forces-fighting-in-known-space/162495/237): > > Let’s perhaps return to the topic at hand, the on-going Triglavian Collective ‘liminal proving,’ which happens to be a somewhat more eminent threat? Fortuitously, we have here an, “Off-Topic Thread,” which allows us to pursue topics which you might otherwise continue to dodge, or faceplant nicely in the attempt. So, Priano, how _do_ you justify allying with entities who are blatantly out to conquer you? Are you just crossing your fingers that the Amarr will go after the other empires first? And as I recall, it was EM suggesting that their pilots fleet up with ARC; that is _not_ a measure of ARC reaching out in a “cross-cultural” effort of cooperation. What steps has ARC taken to ensure such cooperation, as opposed to slapping your name on initiatives done by others? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3461 "2019-06-09T14:49:47Z")
> [@Per Sanguis Ad Astra](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/per-sanguis-ad-astra/165343/23): > > We’re Matari. She only pays attention to us when we’re being Savages, not when we’re being brave or grieving. > [@Per Sanguis Ad Astra](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/per-sanguis-ad-astra/165343/21): > > The question you cited was a rhetorical one, since I pretty much knew already they have killed only civilians Amusing. Another one “proud Matari” - probably proud with her inability to read before writing. Do you want me to send you a reading textbook in Matari language so you could practice and skill yourself up before blunting out on forums again? ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3462 "2019-06-09T15:25:37Z")
Perhaps, Ms. Ramijozana, you might find that I’d be more forthcoming with answers if you didn’t seem committed to the worst possible or most insulting interpretation of my words that you can manage. As it stands, if you would actually like answers instead of opportunities for ham-fisted attempts at scoring rhetorical points, please do seek me out. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3463 "2019-06-09T15:30:11Z")
Honestly, you two worth each other! I’d recommend indeed bringing your style of discussion to private… and keep yourself two bound with her together for as long as you could, for all the readers sake! ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3464 "2019-06-09T17:19:55Z")
If that’s how they choose to function as multi cultural, well… Participation is there. Choosing to have your kin and what is supposedly your strongest Ally lead doesn’t mean you don’t wish for it. Our corporation has and still does hire all races, leadership positions are generally not given to nonmatari, is it wrong to have more trust in your own than others? In the end they are a Caldari aligned group, I don’t see where it’s an affront to multi nationalism that a Caldari corporation prefers to give leadership to their own blood and those who have proven to be trusted allies. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3465 "2019-06-09T18:18:19Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Our corporation has and still does hire all races, leadership positions are generally not given to nonmatari, is it wrong to have more trust in your own than others? For a well-weighted and meritocratic organization hiring all races is the must. Different races have different traits and by composing a team of people with different abilities, putting people into specializations their race, education and experience favors, you can build you an hierarchy more efficient than your competitors. On the other hand, restricting leadership to matari only, just because you’re matari - that’s a blatant racism. Leadership is better to be chosen from the people with the most suitable leadership qualities, who statistically have to be Deteis. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3466 "2019-06-09T18:29:51Z")
Most points right there I fully agree with, however is it racism when my choices are someone who has a shared vision with what our corporation stands for or someone who blatantly is opposed to it? We at one point had a pilot who was strictly guided by the scriptures and saw little value in our actual stances, should they be eligible? We also had an Amarrian woman who actually was on one of the teams in the trials for the throne, she actually was part of our leadership. We don’t exclude other races, they just need to prove they hold the values we do. They are derived largely from our cultural background, people from our culture generally hold similar beliefs to our corporate culture. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3467 "2019-06-09T18:41:10Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Most points right there I fully agree with, however is it racism when my choices are someone who has a shared vision with what our corporation stands for or someone who blatantly is opposed to it? We at one point had a pilot who was strictly guided by the scriptures and saw little value in our actual stances, should they be eligible? We also had an Amarrian woman who actually was on one of the teams in the trials for the throne, she actually was part of our leadership. We don’t exclude other races, they just need to prove they hold the values we do. They are derived largely from our cultural background, people from our culture generally hold similar beliefs. Race has nothing to do with beliefs. For example, let me be a bit self-critical and tell you about Caldari. We have gurista. And some of our former “friends” even betrayed their parents, ancestry, leaders, friends and humanity, taking side of Federation. You wouldn’t consider these swines Caldari even if they were Deteis or Civire, right? Accepting people with strictly opposing beliefs into the team is generally counterproductive disregarding their race, provided they aren’t looking to actually change their views for one reason or another. Though, honestly, I would be very wary about accepting, for example, former Federal employees, just because even if they have seen the truth and decided to fight against their corrupt government and save the humanity - they still will be technically traitors. And traitors are the worst of the scum, they can’t be trusted. If they betrayed once, they can betray again. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3468 "2019-06-09T18:58:18Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Race has nothing to do with beliefs. > For example, let me be a bit self-critical and tell you about Caldari. We have gurista. And some of our former “friends” even betrayed their parents, ancestry, leaders, friends and humanity, taking side of Federation. You wouldn’t consider these swines Caldari even if they were Deteis or Civire, right? Oh by no means would I, just as the cartel aren’t Matari by any means. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Accepting people with strictly opposing beliefs into the team is generally counterproductive disregarding their race, provided they aren’t looking to actually change their views for one reason or another. Though, honestly, I would be very wary about accepting, for example, former Federal employees, just because even if they have seen the truth and decided to fight against their corrupt government and save the humanity - they still will be technically traitors. And traitors are the worst of the scum, they can’t be trusted. If they betrayed once, they can betray again. The gun cares not where the bullet flies, only that it flies away. If a person is willing to fight for our goals, I won’t stop them, as long as they fight for our goals and don’t actively counter them. That does not however mean they should lead our values astray. Those who from the get go share our values are more compatible to further our goals and values more than someone who doesn’t. If you don’t share our values and goals coming into our fold, then it’s perfectly reasonable that our trust should be placed in you. As our values find their source based in the values of the sebiestor tribe, who’s more likely to share them? ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3469 "2019-06-09T21:44:50Z")
I’m asking you two very clear questions, Priano. They aren’t rhetorical, and I am not the sort of person to seek “points” for some kind of validation. You, on the other hand, have a long history of not answering questions that could be damaging to you and your organization. On the day that I decide sitting down with you will actually get me answers and not be a complete waste of my time, I’ll schedule something with you. But I expect that the Empire will voluntarily end all slavery before that happens. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=170) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=172)