# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3534 "2019-06-17T11:18:26Z")
Sounds boring. Ticket sales withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3535 "2019-06-17T13:22:35Z")
This isn’t a Sebiestor debate we’re talking about here, this is wrestling. There are rules. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3536 "2019-06-17T13:27:35Z")
Honestly, I’d still go, that would be an experience not to be missed. Speaking of, Commander Kim, are you free this week? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3537 "2019-06-17T13:55:09Z")
Almost. Well, I certainly will be able to find some time for our business! ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3538 "2019-06-17T15:38:40Z")
@Faith_diAngelo 👋 ---
**Author:** ![Lithara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lithara/32/268412_2.png) [@Lithara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lithara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3539 "2019-06-17T17:00:04Z")
> [@Dream Story Masquerade Ball ~~~OVER~~~](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dream-story-masquerade-ball-over/166896/4): > > disgusting, depraved, obnoxious, disgracing, obscene and humiliating Don’t threaten a girl with a good time and not follow though. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3540 "2019-06-17T17:57:41Z")
> [@Lithara](#): > > Don’t threaten a girl with a good time and not follow though. Ma’am, I can assure, I am ready to follow through to any my word given! This is my way and I wouldn’t be myself if I wasn’t doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3541 "2019-06-17T18:48:53Z")
> [@Lithara](#): > > Don’t threaten a girl with a good time and not follow though. My fun begins where your comfort ends. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_diAngelo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faith_diangelo/32/141665_2.png) [@Faith\_diAngelo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faith_diAngelo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3542 "2019-06-17T22:09:10Z")
And Hello to you Mr. Biko. 👋 ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3543 "2019-06-25T02:01:40Z")
> [@EM/BJK10 joint announcement](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/em-bjk10-joint-announcement/169438/31): > > But this is getting somewhat far afield of the thread’s topic. Yeah, @Arrendis, good call. I should have taken it here earlier. Anyway, while I’m sure Capsuleers poking in to the proving grounds hasn’t helped, I just… I don’t know, man. I just want to not have the end of the world happen so abruptly, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3544 "2019-06-25T02:22:22Z")
End of the world? Fekkit. I was planning to hold off on this until we get back to Delve, but… What annoys me about all of this, is their presumption. **We** have to prove ourselves? Really? I say: Let’s see some proving of _their_ Clades. Nothing I’ve seen of the Trigs is even as impressive as the fleets ARC runs into hives. Taken in even numbers, their ships, while impressive at close range, are basically helpless targets against anything with good speed and ranged capabilities. Their battlefield strategies, so far, appear to be fairly basic and limited as well. So really, who the hell are _they_ to demand _we_ have anything to prove? ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3545 "2019-06-25T02:22:35Z")
> [@EM/BJK10 joint announcement](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/em-bjk10-joint-announcement/169438/31): > > The entire structure of the Cladistic Proving grounds demonstrates _incentivization_ for us to continue to go into the Abyss in order to participate in their Provings. As has been discussed before, the caches serve no other purpose than as cheese in the maze. The Triglavians certainly had no need to leave matierals and blueprints and skill books sitting in those pockets, accessible only after all forces (including theirs) were destroyed. Yet there’s still the chance that us playing their little proving game, even if that’s what they wanted, may have led to them attacking us as the next little phase in their game. Maybe had we left it well enough alone we’d have been deemed ‘unworthy’ and not need to fight them. Ultimately I don’t think we can know for sure what the winning move was, but I still think it was to _not_ play their game. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3546 "2019-06-25T02:32:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Taken in even numbers, their ships, while impressive at close range, are basically helpless targets against anything with good speed and ranged capabilities. Their battlefield strategies, so far, appear to be fairly basic and limited as well. I’m getting Amarr-Mindset-Against-The-First-Jove-Fleets flashbacks, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3547 "2019-06-25T02:37:08Z")
At this point, anything else I can really say on the topic has to wait until the strategic situation changes. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3548 "2019-06-25T04:25:11Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > Maybe had we left it well enough alone we’d have been deemed ‘unworthy’ and not need to fight them. “Join the flow or be extirpated” makes me doubt this very very much. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3549 "2019-06-25T12:44:06Z")
> [@Azazel Drakonis Callout Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/azazel-drakonis-callout-thread/169580/31): > > See, here’s the thing about making mistakes. You only get forgiven if you’re willing to admit it was a mistake. If you’re given a hand of forgiveness and slap it aside because you don’t want to admit you did wrong, then you stop getting given chances. I don’t think this is true at all, though, Samira. People do get forgiven for stuff where they don’t admit fault, all the time. It might be a little harder, but it definitely happens. For me, forgiveness is usually just a matter of distance and perspective. Stuff starts seeming less and less important as time passes and the larger scheme of things becomes clearer, until pretty soon it feels silly to hold onto ill feelings about some little thing-- and in “the scheme of things,” even big things are pretty little. Once I start feeling silly holding a grudge, forgiveness comes pretty easily. I’m sure other people have different approaches, but I don’t think I’m really very unusual in this. Maybe even most people don’t put such a demanding prerequisite on forgiveness as “admit you were wrong.” Considering how hard it often is for people to admit such a thing, that’s probably for the best. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3550 "2019-06-25T12:46:47Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > People do get forgiven for stuff where they don’t admit fault, all the time. And this _isn’t a good thing_. People forgive _far_ too easily. They give chances for people who haven’t done ■■■■ to _earn_ those chances. And then people get it into their heads that they can do whatever they want because, hey, there’s no consequences for it. Admitting you were wrong should be the _first_ step towards forgiveness. Not the last. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3551 "2019-06-25T12:58:49Z")
This feels like maybe the single biggest difference between us. You don’t forgive us, or the world, or yourself, do you? … even if the grudge is mostly going to just hurt everybody involved. Yourself maybe most of all. It seems like such a miserable way to live. It feels like it would make you hate life, especially over time, your own and everybody else’s too, like some vengeful spirit out of a story. I wish I could think of something to say to break the spell. I can’t. We’ve been doing this for so long, and you just seem to get sadder and sadder, and angrier and angrier. I don’t know what to say. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3552 "2019-06-25T13:06:09Z")
I expect better of people. ---
**Author:** ![Alar\_Chakaid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alar_chakaid/32/179823_2.png) [@Alar\_Chakaid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alar_Chakaid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/3553 "2019-06-25T13:10:35Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Admitting you were wrong should be the _first_ step towards forgiveness. Not the last. Says a Frentix-addled apostate and rebel responsible for death and destruction on a grand scale who has shown not the slightest scintilla of remorse or regret for her terrorist actions. Grotesque and absurd hypocrisy appears to be a common disease amongst capsuleers but it is truly foul to behold such sickly-sweet sewage pouring from a filth-encrusted outlet such as the evil heretic Kernher’s flapping gums. I have the honor to be, Alar Aga-Count Chakaid of Kahah III, Sa-Baron of Ves-Sefris, Zirsem V, Paladin Deacon, Orders Militant of the Theology Council, Plenipotentiary Representative of His Majesty Farokh Khanid III [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=174) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=176)