# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/761 "2018-01-27T00:52:59Z")
> [@Che\_Biko](#): > > I was thinking about having you discover this by being at Gottin’s Lamp in that costume. Thank you for not bringing that specific nightmare to life. (Seriously, Che, having a giant anthropomorphic cat rubbing up against women is not actually in all ways or maybe even at all an unambiguous good thing? I mean, okay, cultural differences, maybe, but. . . .) ---
**Author:** ![Loai\_Qerl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loai_qerl/32/303712_2.png) [@Loai\_Qerl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loai_Qerl)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/762 "2018-01-27T00:53:07Z")
You aren’t that enormous, Che. I am sure you have a capsule or something. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/763 "2018-01-27T03:05:38Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Among non-capsuleers, wars are more commonly begun over objectives. Leaders don’t throw away billions of lives because ‘my soldiers were bored’. Capsuleers do. We indulge ourselves in whatever ways we get the urge to, from building ridiculous monuments to our own hubris, to slaughtering millions in a day for ‘fun’. > > And then we tell ourselves how ‘this is what we’re for’, like we don’t decide on our purpose anew, every moment. At some point, all of the strident insistence that ‘this is what we’re for’ keeps making me wonder: who are you trying to convince? Us? Or yourselves? The reasons why leaders and nations can go to war are to me, functionally just as trivial as, “I was bored,” for a capsuleer. Because I dismiss outright any professions as to ideology, values, morality, just causes, religion, faith, or politics. Capsuleers fight wars for the same reasons nations do – for power, for prestige, for access to more resources and territory, to feel the satisfaction of victory over an enemy, mistrust, suspicion, and yes because it is “fun” at least insofar as many proponents of war or the naive who would involve themselves in it think themselves that it will be over in a few weeks and they will wreathe themselves in glory after a bit of foreign (mis)adventure. As a freelance capsuleer I can afford to be honest about why I fight and why I kill. Because I don’t have to engage in either propaganda or rhetoric to rationalize my killing of others and their destruction of assets to be socially and politically acceptable. There is no need to convince others of the death I inflict is righteous or justifiable because I do not require the permission of others to do so, for the reasons I might desire. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/764 "2018-01-27T05:57:40Z")
> [@Che\_Biko](#): > > Well, compared to some I am. > > Also, it has been suggested that I’m so enormous that there’s a frigate in my pants 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/765 "2018-01-27T08:32:57Z")
> [@Che\_Biko](#): > > a frigate But when we compare it to ships, shouldnt it be rather something larger than a frigate? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/766 "2018-01-27T12:46:34Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > > [@Che\_Biko](#): > > > > a frigate > > But when we compare it to ships, shouldnt it be rather something larger than a frigate? 🤔 A Starbase control tower ! Tall, hard, somewhat cylindrical. And **_obsolete_**. ---
**Author:** ![Tannia\_Ambrye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tannia_ambrye/32/410653_2.png) [@Tannia\_Ambrye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tannia_Ambrye)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/767 "2018-01-27T14:55:38Z")
> [@Fancy Title Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fancy-title-thread/43610/63): > > don’t go apostate or you’ll end up as a renowned dental hygiene servant for people of questionable repute. @Halcyon_Ember, ~~some~~ a great title suggestion ~~s~~ by Mr. Shutaq! ~~Apostate and~~ “renowned dental hygiene servant for people of questionable repute.” Subvert the establishment by claiming the title! Stick it to the man! Power to the people! ---
**Author:** ![Tannia\_Ambrye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tannia_ambrye/32/410653_2.png) [@Tannia\_Ambrye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tannia_Ambrye)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/768 "2018-01-27T15:04:37Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Tall, hard, somewhat cylindrical. > > And **obsolete**. Ow, minor scalding in my sinuses from laughing coffee through my nose. So worth it though. ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/769 "2018-01-27T18:29:22Z")
You don’t get to roll your eyes at me, woman. It was you who made that suggestion. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > But when we compare it to ships, shouldnt it be rather something larger than a frigate? 🤔 😐 Hey, it could have been a shuttle. > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > **obsolete** They are still useful for keeping other people from erecting one on my balls. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/770 "2018-01-28T11:23:57Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > Once again you prove how narrowminded you are. And that says… YOU? Oh, Maker. Why I even bother bringing arguments to places like this and speak the language of reason, when people like you just bark at each other here?.. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/771 "2018-01-28T11:31:15Z")
> [@Yarosara\_Ruil](#): > > I dunno Miss Kim. I always thought that being a capsuleer was a neat security clausule so that you don’t tecnically cease to be once someone or something eventualy explodinates your spaceship! When someone explodinates your spaceship, Ms. Ruil, it already means you are part of the violent cycle - we, capsuleers, don’t even see majority of civvie ships and they aren’t really poppped often. You could run for years a baseline transport between Kisogo and Perimeter without any fear that some sort of demented Code pilot will shoot you “for fun”. Won’t you agree, Ms. Ruil? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/772 "2018-01-28T11:40:08Z")
> [@Che\_Biko](#): > > 🙁 I am sorry, Mr. Biko, I didn’t want to offend, just speaking out of frustration and didn’t even have you in mind. If you don’t agree with my conclusions, though, I would like to hear your opinion. Maybe I made a mistake somewhere? But in any way, I am bringing my sincere apologies. And if you feel that they are not enough and desire for the satisfaction, I will provide as Honor demands. ---
**Author:** ![Yarosara\_Ruil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yarosara_ruil/32/191668_2.png) [@Yarosara\_Ruil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yarosara_Ruil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/773 "2018-01-28T14:04:36Z")
I supose you’re right Miss Kim! CODE hardly harasses those convoys at all. Nobody has blown me in Venal yet. There are so many neighbourly capsuleers there that just want to do their thing in peace. But still the fact that even if someone kills me I can keep on trucking is reassuring (metaphysical and theological aspects of dying aside). ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/774 "2018-01-28T17:42:43Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > And that says… YOU? Oh, Maker. Why I even bother bringing arguments to places like this and speak the language of reason, when people like you just bark at each other here?.. That is some strong words for someone who didn’t even bother to address my arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/775 "2018-01-28T17:52:41Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > That is some strong words for someone who didn’t even bother to address my arguments. I’ve adressed your first “argument”, tribal. > [@Mizhir](#): > > Once again you prove how narrowminded you are. It speaks lengths and signifies no need to keep reading your “magnum opus”. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/776 "2018-01-28T17:57:34Z")
Ohh I apologize. Next time I will make sure to not insult your ego until after all my points have been presented. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/777 "2018-01-28T18:02:14Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > Ohh I apologize. Next time I will make sure to not insult your ego until after all my points have been presented. And that’s why I am not wasting my precious times on your so-called arguments, if your only purpose is insulting people. I’ll save my time for worthy and intelligent opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/778 "2018-01-28T18:04:20Z")
On which note can we just maybe please stop this now? That’s to both parties, and anyone else thinking about jumping in. This never gets more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/779 "2018-01-28T18:05:16Z")
Agreed, Ms. Jenneth. Please excuse me. ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/780 "2018-01-28T20:48:39Z")
I accept your apologies. You are free to have your own opinion. Maybe I’ll share mine over some tea some time. Peace. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=37) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=39)