# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1939 "2018-10-25T15:25:09Z")
It is known from the Scripture that humanity had origins elsewhere, as the Prophet was said to have brought all those whom held the faith to Athra. That means that the faith, and humanity, existed before then and came from some place else. The idea that AD is some other language contraction for “The Year of our Lord” makes sense from the Amarr tradition, so perhaps the count goes back to some important time? Perhaps the arrival of the first of the Prophets of God (presuming there have been more than one), or the traditional founding date for a human civilisation that venerated God? Who knows, but certainly AD is a known of annual annotation to those of us of the faith, Commander Kim. Sources: “The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old. world and created a new one.” _The Scriptures, Book I 1:14_ “And so it was, That Gheinok led his people on the great exodus, To the land of our Salvation, To the land of God, To the land of his Chosen, To Athra.” _The Scriptures, Gheinok the First 1:32_ “"For forty millennia we struggled in the desert. Time of infinity to grief our misgivings. Time of eternity to stray without God’s guidance.” _The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23_ ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1940 "2018-10-26T00:49:47Z")
> [@\[MHE\] Humanitarian Aid to those suffering under Khanid atrocities](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mhe-humanitarian-aid-to-those-suffering-under-khanid-atrocities/115595/60): > > I am away for a few days due to implant malfunciton and suddenly it all turns into a clufterfuck. I was also gone for a couple of days, and this was exactly my reaction. Pretty sure I could have swum in all the new news. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1941 "2018-10-26T03:30:11Z")
Considering the content of that news, that might not be a good idea, though. ---
**Author:** ![Hexelen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hexelen/32/482045_2.png) [@Hexelen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hexelen)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1942 "2018-10-26T07:49:59Z")
> [@Veskin\_Sentinel](#): > > […] back in the day when Tei-Su had suffered a lot of damage from the lasting civil war on the planet, there was a Sang Do person that coordinated the efforts towards the ceasefire, the end of the civil war and the relief efforts after that. Think about how many Jin-Mei there are, and how many have left Tei-Su behind. Trillions spread all over. Not to discount the work of your friend, but the Sang Do can be remarkably inconsequential in our lives. I’ve never looked a Sang Do eye-to-eye, for example. In the slums, we could feel the faintest ripples of their command, or was it the wind… you see? > [@Veskin\_Sentinel](#): > > We got exiles that suffered too much. The Sang Do disagree. They seem willing to compromise on the details, thanks to good-faith practices in accordance within their statutes. > [@Veskin\_Sentinel](#): > > Otherwise they would simply execute them, sign their death sentence. Or maybe they wanted them to suffer for generatioons, rot and die on the planet slowly? …but that was not the punishment. Their punishment was _to be forgotten_. Perhaps it was in this fear they propagated their lineages, which they knew to be doomed. Hope to escape oblivion, somehow. The curse could have died with them - instead they passed it on. Not the Sang Do. If the counsel of the Ensînate or the Aidonis Foundation want to charge a violation of constitutional rights, they will have to prove otherwise. Not impossible. Ill-advised. > [@Veskin\_Sentinel](#): > > Maybe that is the norm in their society? These ways are like a fast-moving river. You’ll waste yourself fighting against the current, accomplishing nothing. Even when I tell my parents, “thanks to the graces, you can live wherever you like, in comfort and luxury,” they refuse, remain in the sooty habs of Nouoien, working hard in the ■■■■ until death. They are reliable as they were meant to be, the foundation that doesn’t shy from the burden. The absurd reality. ---
**Author:** ![Veskin\_Sentinel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veskin_sentinel/32/506480_2.png) [@Veskin\_Sentinel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veskin_Sentinel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1943 "2018-10-26T10:15:23Z")
> [@Hexelen](#): > > Their punishment was _to be forgotten_ . Perhaps it was in this fear they propagated their lineages, which they knew to be doomed. Hope to escape oblivion, somehow. The curse could have died with them - instead they passed it on. Not the Sang Do. If the counsel of the Ensînate or the Aidonis Foundation want to charge a violation of constitutional rights, they will have to prove otherwise. Not impossible. Ill-advised. Well that is quite harsh for a punishment, at least in my opinion. And the “curse”? Who believes in curses these days? And if they do try to believe in a curse, do they know who cast the curse back in the day when the ship crashed on the colony on the planet (assuming that is the curse you are talking about)? Did they ever do anything to lift the curse according to their beliefs? Believing in a curse so blindly and doing nearly nothing about it, is pure superstition. > [@Hexelen](#): > > These ways are like a fast-moving river. You’ll waste yourself fighting against the current, accomplishing nothing. Even when I tell my parents, “thanks to the graces, you can live wherever you like, in comfort and luxury,” they refuse, remain in the sooty habs of Nouoien, working hard in the ■■■■ until death. They are reliable as they were meant to be, the foundation that doesn’t shy from the burden. The absurd reality. I understand. Your parents made their choice and it is good to respect it. No one should be afraid of burdens or obstacles, cause they are the way to bring more Light to one’s life - solving a problem instead of running from it is the better way to do things. You can be proud of them. Change is the only constant in our realm. So I am optimistic that the Sang Do would listen to the voice of reason. Even if the negotiations fail today, we can try tomorrow. And even if we fail, there would be the pride of the fact that we have tried. And if not today, then one day - they will listen. Unlike many of them, we got the privilege to see things from a higher perspective. I am getting really tired debating these things. Arguing and trying to prove a point is often useless - we all got our beliefs and value different things. I would be glad if this conversation has been useful to someone. It is useful to me and hopefully to you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1944 "2018-10-27T00:38:52Z")
> [@\[ARC\] Lirsautton resolution solicitation for comment](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-lirsautton-resolution-solicitation-for-comment/115828/35): > > Anyway who the ■■■■ are you supposed to be to have so _many_ opinions? What does that even _mean_? Are people only limited to 3 or 4 things they can care about in your world? ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1945 "2018-10-27T00:50:07Z")
Mmh, perhaps my wording could have been better. Suffice to say my eyebrows get all kinds of raised when a brand new capsuleer suddenly appears from nowhere with fully formed opinions on the “regulars” and a majority of their posts (excluding those about the right way to make hot chocolate) are in one way or another hostile towards a group and its members. I mean sure, ok, maybe this new face just don’t like a group for whatever reason. But oh man does it make me 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1946 "2018-10-27T01:25:10Z")
I dunno, a month is more than enough time to see the ridiculous dysfunction of _this_ place. Seriously, I’m kinda shocked there aren’t a whole lot _more_ people pointing out what miserable, bitter wretches most of here are, and openly wondering why we bother and haven’t just biomassed. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1947 "2018-10-27T01:28:18Z")
I’d agree with you if it wasn’t so obviously targeted. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1948 "2018-10-27T01:29:18Z")
Eh, everything’s targeted. Screw it all and enjoy life some, that’s what I say. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1949 "2018-10-27T02:02:43Z")
I want @Ret_Gloriaxx to kiss me on the forehead. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1950 "2018-10-27T02:18:24Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > I’d agree with you if it wasn’t so obviously targeted. You flatter yourself. I definitely don’t go out of my way to snark at you. But when you put yourself in my way, yes, I will bite you. Indeed, I wasn’t even originally talking to you in the other thread. I was talking to Ms. Priano. You are the one who kept trying to insert yourself into the conversation. And now you want to play the victim and whine about being ‘targeted’? That’s cute. By the way, I didn’t say your “why she so bitter” comment and the “we hate when people remind us how pissy we are” were contradictory. I said they were hypocritical. Learn the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1951 "2018-10-27T02:19:23Z")
Oh _darling_. Point to where I said you were targeting _me_. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1952 "2018-10-27T02:21:06Z")
Wow, you want me to link you to your own last reply? That’s it. From now on I’m just going to assume that you’re nearsighted and can’t read well, because I refuse to believe that anyone is this clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1953 "2018-10-27T02:24:02Z")
I suggest you actually read my last reply. Then read your own posting history. Maybe you’ll even be able to work it out. I take back my implications of sockpuppetry however, nobody here would pay money for a service this dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Loai\_Qerl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loai_qerl/32/303712_2.png) [@Loai\_Qerl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loai_Qerl)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1954 "2018-10-27T02:59:07Z")
I also? He’s a professional, I trust him. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1955 "2018-10-27T14:11:52Z")
…did you literally just take my last reply, reword it, and post it back? This is new levels of nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1956 "2018-10-27T15:25:05Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > did you literally just take my last reply, reword it, and post it back? …No. I think you need to train Reading Comprehension above 0 dear, it might really do you some good. Honestly, you _graduated_? I think I’ll be asking to the RU to make sure they haven’t made any clerical errors recently. Maybe there’s an extremely disappointed Melissa Ramijazona wondering what went wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1957 "2018-10-27T15:57:34Z")
Let’s take a look. My post: > [remark on needing to read last reply] > > [insult regarding your intelligence] [degrading comment regarding your intelligence] Your post right after mine: > [remark on needing to read last reply] > > [remark on needing to read my own posting history] [insult regarding my intelligence] > > [degrading comment regarding my intelligence] Something tells me you’re about to change your name to Melissa Ramijazona. But hey, maybe you do have what it takes to be me. I doubt it, but I’ve been wrong before. Very rarely, but it’s happened. Anyway, good luck with that! ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/1958 "2018-10-27T16:09:26Z")
I said you needed to read my post because you’d misunderstood it and a second read might, (although I’m starting to doubt it) have been beneficial. But hey, don’t give up now! You’re just starting to be amusing. Lets wind it back to the beginning shall we, and I’ll try and help you see where things went wrong. > [@Kalaratiri](#): > > I’d agree with you if it wasn’t so obviously targeted. > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > You flatter yourself. I definitely don’t go out of my way to snark at you. But when you put yourself in my way, yes, I will bite you. Oh it went wrong immediately. Well that keeps things easy! In fact, it’s so simple you actually already know the answer! > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I wasn’t even originally talking to you in the other thread. I was talking to Ms. Priano. Exactly! > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > And now you want to play the victim and whine about being ‘targeted’? At no point in my comments have I implied that you’ve been targeting _me._ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=95) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128.md?page=97)