# Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128 "2017-06-21T18:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 2945
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128/2945 "2019-02-24T18:53:06Z")
> [@The Champion is Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/94): > > Their belief system is utterly corrosive, obliterating the social bonds of trust, duty, and mutual reliance that lie at the root of an ordered society. It’s the Takmahl path: at best, they can hope for a brilliant, soaring ascent and a short age of ambition-driven wonders, followed by civil war and total collapse. There’s basically nothing significant left of the Takmahl but their artifacts. > > (Interestingly, Dr. Valate and I seem to see this the same. Just, to me, this invalidates Sabik practice as an influence in a stable, healthy society. She thinks this miserable pattern is just how God wants people to live.) Ah yes, of course. Well, not quite. You see, the Takmahl failure and collapse was quite preventable. They just made the wrong mistakes in interpreting the Apocryphon. You see, the core principle of Sani Sabik as opposed to Amarr Orthodoxy, is that one can transcend ones origins far more readily. Amarr Orthodoxy generally has slaves, commoners, and nobles, with very little mobility between them. Sani sabik holds that if one is strong enough, even a slave could rise to the very top. But, and this is where the Takmahl went wrong, this requires a social & economic system where such social mobility is possible. Free education for all, as an example. So that those with potential, regardless of their origins, can be identified and make the most of their talents. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/utaris-puppies-formerly-off-topic-thread/5128)._