# Version 18.12 - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [December 7, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083 "2020-12-07T15:43:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/567 "2020-12-09T23:50:58Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > APM intensive Don’t you just latch Armor reps, Cap transfers on each other, go afk on Assistance Dominix and just play on the Drone Bunny Dominix? How is that APM intensive? ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/568 "2020-12-09T23:52:18Z")
Try it… if you had; you would be the last person arguing how low effort it is… which i why i mean it when i say… you dont know what you talking about… so why do you keep talking about it? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/569 "2020-12-09T23:52:48Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > Try it (I have, that’s how I know) Edit: I mean, if you’re doing something extra crazy with it, that’s on you, but if you have the right fits, you’re cap and tank stable. All you do is Target Paint the NPCs you’re shooting at the drones do their job. > [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > you would be the last person arguing how low effort it is… which i why i mean it when i say… you dont know what you talking about… so why do you keep talking about it? Because it’s not as “APM intensive” as you claim it is. ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/570 "2020-12-09T23:57:36Z")
Ok great; well guess it should be deleted from the game since its not an excruciating pain in the ass; is that your logic? ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Hunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fish_hunter/32/248430_2.png) [@Fish\_Hunter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fish_Hunter)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/571 "2020-12-09T23:58:10Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > So its just about adding arbitrary tedium intentionally? I think it might just be about sloppy execution on CCP. You are correct, the removal of pve drone aggro and assist is merely to add tedium to PVE to reduce the amount of multibox pve accounts in game in turn to reduce the isk coming into EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/572 "2020-12-09T23:58:40Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > well guess it should be deleted from the game since its not an excruciating pain in the ass; is that your logic? Where did I say that? I’m saying it’s not that much of an issue. If you’re actively playing the game, it’s not that much effort to right click the NPC, tag it, alt tab to your alt, and assign drones to engage the tagged NPC. Rinse and repeat until you’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/573 "2020-12-09T23:59:12Z")
Ah nice; well maybe they will remove module auto cycle too by that logic… hmm that sounds so great… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/574 "2020-12-10T00:01:04Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > maybe they will remove module auto cycle too by that logic Why would they do that? You realize this change to Drone Auto-aggro against NPCs now makes them equal with the rest of the weapon systems, right? Not worse than, equal to (as far as NPCs are concerned). ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/575 "2020-12-10T00:02:39Z")
I’m solely focused on Drone Assist; i have MAJOR objection to auto Aggro since it blatantly abused by people with 50 alts… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/576 "2020-12-10T00:03:26Z")
> [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > I’m solely focused on Drone Assist So… my question remains the same. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Why would they do that? Why would CCP remove module auto cycle because Drone Assist was changed? ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Hunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fish_hunter/32/248430_2.png) [@Fish\_Hunter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fish_Hunter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/577 "2020-12-10T00:04:25Z")
Nah CCP just made everyone that uses a ship with highslot weapons + drones require two key pushes instead of one to fire ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/578 "2020-12-10T00:07:55Z")
They wont; but you all seem to be advocating things that just make the game tedious and repetitive for the good of the game; with no consideration for QoL… I got the hard the ■■■■ up thing and all but can we not just ■■■■ up the game for the sole purpose of ■■■■■■■ up the game to harden up? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/579 "2020-12-10T00:11:13Z")
2017, no wonder he crying. ---
**Author:** ![Mady\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mady_auduin/32/251323_2.png) [@Mady\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mady_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/580 "2020-12-10T00:11:54Z")
2012; im a jita alt ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/581 "2020-12-10T00:12:10Z")
> [@Fish\_Hunter](#): > > highslot weapons + drones require two key pushes instead of one to fire Drones will auto engage NPCs that you cycle offensive modules on. (they just won’t auto-aggress anymore) Ex. If you have a Gila with RLMLs and 2 Medium Drones out, the first NPC you target with your RLMLs, your drones will also attempt to engage. So it’s still just 1 key push. > [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > you all seem to be advocating things that just make the game tedious and repetitive for the good of the game Uh… no? I haven’t been advocating for anything all thread. I’ve been express support for this specific change that made it infeasible to operate ecosystem ruining nullsec krabbing alt farms. > [@Mady\_Auduin](#): > > I got the hard the ■■■■ up thing and all but can we not just ■■■■ up the game for the sole purpose of ■■■■■■■ up the game to harden up? lmao ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/582 "2020-12-10T00:12:41Z")
Then you should know better by now. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Hunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fish_hunter/32/248430_2.png) [@Fish\_Hunter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fish_Hunter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/583 "2020-12-10T00:17:05Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Drones will auto engage NPCs that you cycle offensive modules on. (they just won’t auto-aggress anymore) I’m glad you have got this to work, nobody in my alliance has, have to hit F1 and F now ---
**Author:** ![Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fenrir_stargazer/32/424917_2.png) [@Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fenrir_Stargazer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/584 "2020-12-10T01:00:43Z")
Yeah no go there. you have to manually tell drones to attack each time. they will not engage off of weapon use ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/585 "2020-12-10T01:45:14Z")
> [@Fish\_Hunter](#): > > I’m glad you have got this to work, nobody in my alliance has, > [@Fenrir\_Stargazer](#): > > Yeah no go there. you have to manually tell drones to attack each time. You guys were right. I tested it out again and found myself instinctively hitting F by reflex when krabbing. I didn’t even notice I was doing it. Thanks for calling me out on it. ---
**Author:** ![Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fenrir_stargazer/32/424917_2.png) [@Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fenrir_Stargazer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/586 "2020-12-10T01:56:01Z")
No problem though i think they should have left in the weapon as telling drones to attack. course i guess you can probaably tie both to f1 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083.md?page=30)