# Version 18.12 - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [December 7, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083 "2020-12-07T15:43:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/880 "2021-01-13T21:57:06Z")
Yer, i feel your pain. The changes make no sense. I understand they needed to reduce resources, but the way that did it is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/881 "2021-01-13T22:44:48Z")
And you ignored my point that they dont need a core to work their station, and dont need TTT to benefit from services. Honestly, put one obstacle up and for some people the sky is falling. I converted perfectly well into not needing to care due to a planned ahead coreless station which is placed near other cored stations. I am that small organisation and Im doing just fine without these filthy crappy cores. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/882 "2021-01-14T09:00:03Z")
All the structure popping up in my region of space beg to differ. I see plenty of 1 to 10 man corp putting up ratiarus. People with grandfather structures don’t need to worry about cores if all they do is manufacture or whatever. And new ones that now need a core is just part of the costs of doing business. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/883 "2021-01-14T11:07:02Z")
> [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](#): > > drone ratting is one of the most horrible experiences available in gaming. Come to Australia and find your opinion on drones reversing. > [@Pith\_Hurdaa](#): > > I´m just thinking in the whole purpose of the introduction of quantum cores wich is, reducing structure spam, act as ISK sink, and promote conflict. These will not be met if the cores for existing structures are not more heavily enforced. Just make cores mandatory for the reinforcement timer to complete. Spin off repair, tethering and refit to a separate module. And make it charge the person getting repaired ISK like an NPC station. That would also fix this little bug > [@Dynomike\_Holt](#): > > The new core patch removes repair / tether / fitting. You did not change the Show Info Services tab. A fort still reports it has Repair and Fitting on the services tab despite not having it. TIe quantum core to a working asset safety functionality too. > [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > This mechanic is broken and dont work, leaving only TTT structures left in hisec. FIX YOUR GAME CCP need to work on it, after all, they said there would only be one MESS per system. > [@Pith\_Hurdaa](#): > > Hell you can even have a mobile depot permadeployed on the undock of your citadel and refit as you undock. > > Your citadel will be safer than before for not being a juiciy target. Sad but true. A nestor or Orca has more functionality. > [@leavwiz](#): > > the lack of ice belts in systems with infrastructure for ice has gone on long enough. our “ice” system is into its 4th week with no ice. the nearest ice systems are in other people’s sov space. not sure what the real intent of the change was, but fueling stations is becoming a serious issue. Maybe the point of the change is to make you want to go into their space and steal the ice? > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > And new ones that now need a core is just part of the costs of doing business. Structures were designed from the outset to be an ISK sink. Everyone but the large groups are running around deploying the damn things like candy just because they want one with their banner on it. > [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > Yer, i feel your pain. The changes make no sense. I understand they needed to reduce resources, but the way that did it is ridiculous. Would love to see the MER split out ore mined vs ice. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/884 "2021-01-14T11:09:17Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Structures were designed from the outset to be an ISK sink. Cores have an extremely low impact on sinking, specifically; they arent, you just sink sales tax. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/885 "2021-01-14T11:14:13Z")
What I mean is structures don’t make ISK in the same way POS towers that piped out moon ore every hour did, or how stations were able to build 24/7 without needing a single block of fuel. The base cost has gone up considerably, but the return isn’t much better. Its not like the tax generated outside of TTT citadels amounts enough to cover running costs. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/886 "2021-01-14T11:16:19Z")
OK, but the actual cost of running a station hasnt changed. For a Raitaru its a pittance in fuel and your service modules for your own use are where you make any cost back, not services to the public. ---
**Author:** ![Sustrai\_Aditua](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sustrai_aditua/32/411071_2.png) [@Sustrai\_Aditua](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sustrai_Aditua)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/887 "2021-01-14T15:08:00Z")
Thanks for announcing there are new billboard ads. I don’t know what I would have done without this earth-shaking information. Your use of bandwidth is … impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/888 "2021-01-14T22:02:41Z")
YOU NEED A CORE IN A STRUCTURE AFTER OCTOBER 13th 2020 TO ONLINE IT…I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURE ANCHORED BEFORE THAT NEW PEOPLE/CORPS WANTING TO ANCHOR AFTER THAT CANT…F\*\*\*\*\*\* READ AGAIN ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/889 "2021-01-14T22:34:49Z")
You are a very rude little man. Rather than work out _why_ you are wrong ( the points from you I directly addressed), youve decided to act like a toddler. Toddle on, loser. My station is working fine, sorry yours isnt. Thats business. No need to be jealous about it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/890 "2021-01-15T03:55:30Z")
no he isnt… It is you being obtuse or retarded in the discussion. ( i backtracked the replies you two had a little bit) Any new structure being anchored after Oct 13,2020 requires a core for it to get past the Onlining part of the anchoring process. He is not discussing any other structure, like yours that was anchored before that date. If you can not understand that Ramona, or you are purposely being a butthead…then just shut up and stop, either way your antics are not needed or wanted in a dev thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/891 "2021-01-15T09:23:48Z")
> [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > Anyone new player or small group must now rely on a TTT structure to do science jobs or ore compression Looks like you both need to read what he wrote again. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/892 "2021-01-15T14:18:25Z")
Thank you…pretty much. This Ramona guy still think you can online a structure RIGHT NOW with no core which you CANT. Im talking about new player/corp wanting to anchor something… RIGHT NOW…they cant cause of the insta wardec because of 100% drop rate of core that has very high npc buy orders making wardeccing quite profitable. CCP need to remove 100% drop rate, make it normal drop rate and problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/893 "2021-01-15T14:27:16Z")
> [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > CCP need to remove 100% drop rate, make it normal drop rate and problem solved. Nah. Not problem solved. 50% drop chance is still more than worth sending 8 Leshaks over to blow your Station up. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/894 "2021-01-15T17:48:32Z")
> [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > This Ramona guy still think you can online a structure RIGHT NOW Quote me, liar. > [@Rusty\_X5](#): > > CCP need to remove 100% drop rate, make it normal drop rate and problem solved. Oh you mean you just realised its not a sink clap clap about time. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/895 "2021-01-16T02:20:37Z")
True, maybe reduce npc buy orders . I’m not sure but something needs to be done ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/896 "2021-01-16T02:43:17Z")
Why do you try so hard? CCP borked the game in 2012, the numbers have never recovered. Tonight’s avg seemed to be down 3k, but I wasn’t really watching… Edit; Ouch, even lower now… ---
**Author:** ![Wylex\_Cross](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wylex_cross/32/459154_2.png) [@Wylex\_Cross](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wylex_Cross)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/897 "2021-01-16T09:50:37Z")
I like the version number, I think it’s great, ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/898 "2021-01-18T13:53:29Z")
Well, what do you think all, will there be anything tomorrow? Subjectively, nothing interesting has come since the end of November, apart from the event. PS: Oh my god I forgot about the salvage II drones…But seriously? ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-18-12-general-feedback/284083/899 "2021-01-19T09:28:59Z")
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