# Version 21.02 - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** release, official, feedback\ **Created:** [February 14, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380 "2023-02-14T11:00:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cmd\_Bokonon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cmd_bokonon/32/354715_2.png) [@Cmd\_Bokonon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cmd_Bokonon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/87 "2023-02-14T17:31:40Z")
What I see as the biggest problem of the PhotonUI is changing the core character of a game (the similar way as those stupid loot boxes). They dont understand the game Iam sure, because if they would understand how extraordinary value does it have, they would try to keep and evolve its value. EDIT: This game does have a lot of informations on the screen, if you dont like it, play another game :), this one is not for you! Listen to the players - why everybody discuss the amount of blank spaces? ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/88 "2023-02-14T17:32:55Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I am pleased with how the rollout has gone so far. The photon team has made a ton of changes over the last year since Photon went beta. I’ve been using it from the beginning and have had no real major issues. I know some folks don’t like it, and I know there are still bugs and things that need to be fixed, and I hope folks will keep pointing out those issues so the team can get to fixing them. > > We had a good meeting with the Photon team last week at the CSM summit and they were clear that they will not stop work on the UI just because the rollout happened today. > > I know this is a tough change - anything UI related is tough. I hope that folks will continue to provide good, actionable feedback, and not just general complaining, like some random dudes have been doing lately. > > Finally, now is a great time to get a new monitor if you, like me, are getting older and need everything bigger on the screen to see it. It’s amazing how much better the game looks when you can see it again. Textbook cognitive dissonance, with a healthy dose of doubling down. The game looked better until 1059 this morning, even with my small monitor. ---
**Author:** ![Hedgehog\_Mangeiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hedgehog_mangeiri/32/440447_2.png) [@Hedgehog\_Mangeiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hedgehog_Mangeiri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/89 "2023-02-14T17:34:22Z")
Thats how they fight with communism! No red marks! ---
**Author:** ![Hedgehog\_Mangeiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hedgehog_mangeiri/32/440447_2.png) [@Hedgehog\_Mangeiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hedgehog_Mangeiri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/90 "2023-02-14T17:35:57Z")
So now my eyes rot. THANKS for that shittiests photon UI! ---
**Author:** ![RED-RUSH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-rush/32/384482_2.png) [@RED-RUSH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RED-RUSH)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/91 "2023-02-14T17:37:08Z")
_Photon UI is bunk. Give us the old UI back. Why the hell do you need to change the UI when you really should be fixing the rest of the issues with the game. streamline? yeah like that video where someone ■■■■ on the toilet seat and the automatic cleaner rotates it and smears it all around the seat. That’s photon UI._ ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/92 "2023-02-14T17:37:16Z")
Overview has broken, orginally looked like this- ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/a/34ac08bc4994c6dfd2dc0c394533e260b2c7bd7d.png) i went into 3 dots \> open overview \> tabs and changed to another option and it turned to this and I cannot get all my overview tabs back even if i dock/undock ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/7/2d73a5a2b127255d25cf36d18955c213cefa0c53.png) EDIT had to reimport my overview in order to restore it ---
**Author:** ![neur0zen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neur0zen/32/467250_2.png) [@neur0zen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/neur0zen)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/93 "2023-02-14T17:37:41Z")
- The 20pixel border around every windows i hate it, even when window margin is set to ‘compact’, make a no marging at all option pretty please - Do we really need a “Report ISK Spammer” on every char right clic ? Is that a joke im to far away from Jita to understand ? // Or even a “set to home station” on right clic ?? Every time i right clic a station… i mean how often do we use that option to be set on a righ clic menu ?? Wich is already available on our Char menu… - All the color theme are now just a black theme with only the button changing color. - The new notepad has really huge waste of space : It goes like : Notepad ---------------Note\_name Both could be on the same line saving a lot of space on the top of the notepad window. Also the 2 buttons, new folder on new note are really huge, and could be easily replace with juste 2 smalls icon ( one folder and one note with a + or something ) Beside all that for someone who wait the last moment to change all i can say its way better than the 1st iteration i try month earlier. They are pretty nice stuff too, like the fact you can now totally block the Local talk to just have the players list etc ( still testing ) but still some nice improvement to make too. Edit 1 : Changing tab order in overview : make an option to change ALL tab at once please ? ---
**Author:** ![Maro\_Polo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maro_polo/32/414980_2.png) [@Maro\_Polo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maro_Polo)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/94 "2023-02-14T17:38:34Z")
I would like to ask you to rethink the appropriate distribution of buttons in fit , fit management, fitting (simulation) windows. Now it looks like this: Fit management window Buttons visible: - Fit - Save Options hide in “…” hamburger: - Buy all - Simulate Fitting - Copy to clipboard - Delete Options when right click on fit name in list of fits: - Fit to active ship - multifit - delete fitting - copy Fit window Buttons visible: - fit - save - Buy all Options hide in “…” hamburger: - Simulate fitting Fitting window (simulation) - Fit ship… - Save As… Options hide in hamburger: (import and export options) In the case of fit management window - if I see any fitting in fit managment window, it means that I already have this fit saved and because in this window I can’t edit the “save” button is redundant, and certainly should not be taken out as visible . In its place, in my opinion, the most sensible would be to put a “simulate” button. In addition, unfortunately, only two buttons are visible, and to see the third one constantly (without clicking on the hamburger) you have to stretch the window very much. So it would be better to add a third permanently visible button (apart from “simulate” and “fit”) - “buy” button and of course make it smaller. So here - visible buttons - it should be more like this, and preferably in this order: - simulate - buy - fit Then there is still “…” (hamburger) and options after right-clicking. Several options in different places of the fit management window are repeated in several places, such as “delete” and “delete fitting”. By the way - where the function after clicking is exactly the same - as in the example above, different forms should not be used, it seems most appropriate to adopt the shortest, simplest form of spelling, i.e. simply “delete”. Similarly (also due to the space that is occupied by longer text) not “fit to active ship” but “fit” (the functionality is the same, fitting is possible only to an active ship). Maybe “buy all” is also unnecessary and “buy” is enough, in the same way not “simulate fitting” but “simulate”. What is left would be good to divide according to some logical key, for example: you can hide options related to copying, import and export to the hamburger, and probably also delete. And so on and so on like this. So in the same way as fitting management above, I would suggest analyzing the fit and fitting (simulation) windows and then correct them. Thank you in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Schnarph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/schnarph/32/374719_2.png) [@Schnarph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Schnarph)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/95 "2023-02-14T17:42:12Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Finally, now is a great time to get a new monitor if you, like me, are getting older and need everything bigger on the screen to see it. My 5K needs detail! Whats the point of a big screen if it is filled with flat grey boxes? To be honest EVE now looks like this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Vicktor\_Bout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vicktor_bout/32/390510_2.png) [@Vicktor\_Bout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vicktor_Bout)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/96 "2023-02-14T17:43:57Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Finally, now is a great time to get a new monitor if you, like me, are getting older and need everything bigger on the screen to see it. It’s amazing how much better the game looks when you can see it again. Just tell your wife CCP changed the UI so you need it. LOL, Im traveling a lot and using 17" laptop to play EVE and all was fine until this patch. Now interface absolutely unplayable, so ok, minus 27 subscribed accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Malou\_Hashur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malou_hashur/32/394190_2.png) [@Malou\_Hashur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malou_Hashur)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/97 "2023-02-14T17:44:37Z")
THIS If you are going down the Dictator route and forcing everyone to use this CR.P, at least give us the option to have a black background This grey rubbish is so washed out and difficult to see. Just because some bright spark developers (and they REALLY are not as bright as they think they are) come up with the worst idea in a long time, it DOES NOT mean that you have to follow along with these terrible ideas and force everyone to use them. Burying your heads in the sand and pretending that everyone likes it does not make it true. ---
**Author:** ![game\_clover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/game_clover/32/386328_2.png) [@game\_clover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/game_clover)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/98 "2023-02-14T17:44:59Z")
I speak as a miner playing at least 8 windows, now I can only run 6 accounts otherwise my computer turns off, thanks for the update ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/99 "2023-02-14T17:47:00Z")
The colours are a nice touch to the overview (when it isnt wiping your tabs) any chance of a colour picker so you are not limited to the few colours available ---
**Author:** ![Sandra\_Lyzfx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandra_lyzfx/32/354192_2.png) [@Sandra\_Lyzfx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandra_Lyzfx)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/100 "2023-02-14T17:47:26Z")
My computer cant handle the new UI. Its laggy and bloated AF. Give me Classic Mode pls ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/101 "2023-02-14T17:50:32Z")
Your egoism never ceases to amaze ! ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/102 "2023-02-14T17:53:17Z")
He got upset when I said he was no more special than me or anyone else… > [@CSM 17 Summit Review](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-17-summit-review/394529/169): > > Keep telling yourself that. ---
**Author:** ![Nunosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nunosh/32/378366_2.png) [@Nunosh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nunosh)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/104 "2023-02-14T18:00:01Z")
The dev who chose these colors is clear on drugs influence… I can’t hardly notice what are my orders, and on our case (trading comunity) that have hundreds of live orders updated everyday is a total pain in the a$$ ---
**Author:** ![Last\_Ninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/last_ninja/32/373937_2.png) [@Last\_Ninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Last_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/105 "2023-02-14T18:05:39Z")
Do you actually listen to the player base you represent? or do you have your own agenda here? yes lets all go out and buy laptops that have huge screens are you actually living on the same planet as us? or are you representing ccp instead of your own constitutes? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/106 "2023-02-14T18:06:19Z")
> **[r/Eve - Brisc Rubal on new UI](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/pp9vdp/brisc_rubal_on_new_ui/)** > > 162 votes and 32 comments so far on Reddit 😉 😏 :dealwithitparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380/107 "2023-02-14T18:14:49Z")
@Uriel_the_Flame At least no one has been unkind enough to create a _Downfall_ meme. Yet. Cross that someone saw fit to swap the positions of the Inventory contents summary and the Loot All button. I always have inventory bottom right, and now the notification button hides it… be nice if I could swap the damn things. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-general-feedback/395380.md?page=6)