# Version 24.01 - Cradle of War - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [June 9, 2026, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907 "2026-06-09T11:00:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/435 "2026-07-19T23:02:12Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Yes I did say that but more to the point, why didn’t you post your reply to the one who actually complained about it? Because I agree with him that a tax that doesn’t apply shouldn’t show up…I disagree with you that there shouldn’t be extra taxes in Exordium. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, I still stand by that statement, implementing a Safety Tax in an area that already has worthless rewards is definitely dumb… Great that you think high sec has worthless rewards, Exordium isn’t meant to be lived in for long so halving their income in return for no pvp makes sense. Did you complain about this 3 months ago too when it was announced or just now? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/436 "2026-07-19T23:12:06Z")
Get this through your thick head, I didn’t complain about it, I simply made a statement about it… Other than that, since you failed to link proof that players were demanding a Safety Tax be implemented in Exordium when the rewards there were already worthless, I have no inclination to continue discussing this with you, especially since you purposely ignored the person who complained about it and immediately tried to attack me about it… Now have a good day and sod off… DMC o7 ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/437 "2026-07-19T23:17:38Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I didn’t complain about it, I simply made a statement about it… Calling it stupid is complaining about it…If you think it’s stupid, you think it shouldn’t exist, which means you want Exordium to have the same reward as the rest of high sec, but mention nothing of the halved minerals for miners. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Other than that, since you failed to link proof that players were demanding a Safety Tax be implemented in Exordium when the rewards there were already worthless, Players didn’t have to, it came with the announcement of Exordium and I don’t recall anyone saying it was stupid then. Without that Safety tax, the rewards would just be the same as the rest of high sec. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > especially since you purposely ignored the person who complained about it and immediately tried to attack me about it… Again, I agreed with the person complaining about seeing it, but I still think it should exist in exordium. I disagreed with you, not with Dyver. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/438 "2026-07-19T23:17:39Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I have no inclination to continue discussing this with you, especially since you purposely ignored the person who complained about it and immediately tried to attack me about it… He didn’t attack you. I think you’re overreacting a bit here. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/439 "2026-07-19T23:59:30Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Calling it stupid is complaining about it…If you think it’s stupid, you think it shouldn’t exist, which means you want Exordium to have the same reward as the rest of high sec, but mention nothing of the halved minerals for miners. No, it’s not a complaint, it’s an opinion… Also stop trying to portray me as saying something I didn’t… Now stop trying to implement a forum flame war… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/440 "2026-07-20T00:04:07Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > No, it’s not a complaint, it’s an opinion… Also stop trying to portray me as saying something I didn’t… A complaint is an opinion… A complaint is a statement expressing dissatisfaction, pain, or resentment. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Now stop trying to implement a forum flame war… I’m not, I’m just trying to say that I disagree with you but then you try and say that isn’t what you said as you go on to further say what you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/441 "2026-07-20T00:07:16Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > He didn’t attack you. I think you’re overreacting a bit here. No, I’m not overreacting, he attacks by constantly nitpicking and misrepresenting whatever I say and quite frankly, I’m tired of it.. And it now seems like you’re the same… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/442 "2026-07-20T00:14:46Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > I’m not, I’m just trying to say that I disagree with you but then you try and say that isn’t what you said as you go on to further say what you don’t like. Yes you are, in fact you just said this: > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > which means you want Exordium to have the same reward as the rest of high sec, And that is a complete lie, which totally misrepresents what I originally said… As for the Safety Tax, I’m not the one who posted a complaint about it, I simply posted my opinion about it… However you keep hounding me about it like some rabid dog and keep trying to portray it out of context… I’m done wasting time with you, now for the last time, stop trolling me here in these forums… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/443 "2026-07-20T00:26:31Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And that is a complete lie, which totally misrepresents what I originally said… Okay, so if you think it’s the stupidest thing Fenris has done, as you said here: > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > A Safety Tax? > > That’s gotta be one of the dumbest things to ever be implemented into the game… > > CCP/FC Dev’s seriously need to pull their heads out of their arses… How am I supposed to take that? It’s why the rewards are less in Exordium, therefore you want the rewards to be the same as they are in the rest of highsec. You can’t have it both ways. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > now for the last time, stop trolling me here in these forums… I’m not trolling you, if anything you are the one trying to troll, or just are bad at communication. I can’t read your mind, I can only go off of what you are saying. Normally if someone says they don’t like something, or think it’s the stupidest thing, they want it removed. How else am I supposed to take that other than you think the extra tax of exordium (which makes it less profitable than the rest of high sec) is stupid and should be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/444 "2026-07-20T00:32:51Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And it now seems like you’re the same… Okay. I’ll leave you be. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/445 "2026-07-20T00:54:07Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > It’s why the rewards are less in Exordium, therefore you want the rewards to be the same as they are in the rest of highsec. You can’t have it both ways. The Safety Tax is applied on top of the reduced rewards in Exordium… > Rewards in Exordium are intentionally suppressed to balance the region’s complete lack of PvP risk, preventing veterans from exploiting this safe haven. CCP Games enforces this lower payout cap through several direct region-wide penalties detailed in the **[EVE Online News](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/introducing-exordium&ved=2ahUKEwiToIzqgeCVAxX3l-4BHYJqNnkQy_kOegoIAggACAEIChAC&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2DIFAonKK5af1ADktSmlb9&ust=1784594262814000)**: [[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1slh3c6/exordium_feels_like_a_complete_misunderstanding/), [2](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Exordium)] > > - **Direct Payout Cuts:** Mission ISK payouts, Loyalty Point (LP) gains, and NPC bounties are universally reduced by 20%. > - **Lower Ore Yields:** Ores are restricted to a “Grade 0” variant that provides significantly lower mineral yields compared to standard highsec ores. > - **Nerfed Exploration:** Exploration sites spawn with curated, distinct loot tables that contain lower-value items optimized solely for onboarding beginners. > - **Higher Economic Taxes:** Industry installation fees (manufacturing, ME/TE research, invention) and non-instant market orders are penalized with an additional 5% tax. > - **Easier Homefronts:** Homefront Operations are scaled down to reduce difficulty, yielding proportionally lower rewards. > **[Restrictions - Exordium - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Exordium#Restrictions)** > > Exordium also has several restrictions and limitations to preserve EVE Online’s balance. These include a curated set of PvE content\[7\] available, higher taxes, higher fees for manufacturing, research and invention, decreased opportunities for value... And for the last time, stop bothering me and more importantly, stop saying I want Exordium to have the same rewards as the rest of High Sec space… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/446 "2026-07-20T00:57:28Z")
The Direct payouts cuts, the higher economic taxes ARE the safety taxes…all this time you thought there was another tax added on top?! If you look at the original screenshot, where do you see the increased exordium broker fee? It’s the safety tax! 1.04% is normal max skill and standings broker fee. No one said anything about this being a new additional tax on top of what you just linked. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/447 "2026-07-20T01:19:43Z")
No, the rewards are not the same. Even if you remove the Safety Tax, the reward value in Exordium is lower than the rest of High Sec space.. Guess you didn’t bother reading the Uniwiki page about it… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/448 "2026-07-20T01:26:02Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Guess you didn’t bother reading the Uniwiki page about it… Did you? This is the safety tax that is in the screenshot by Dyver. If he were in Exordium, it would be 5% as listed in the wiki… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/c/6/8c6348fdac8a7defae0a27869ce921e39b21af2f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/449 "2026-07-20T01:37:48Z")
Just block the usual suspects and move on DMC. You can’t hold a debate with those whose minds are already made up and have no interest in an actual exchange of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/450 "2026-07-20T01:40:37Z")
Do we have another person who thinks that an addition tax was added on top of the one that already existed when Exordium was first added? I’m all for exchanging opinions, but if one can’t even get simple facts straight… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/451 "2026-07-20T02:38:46Z")
I thought it was just the one tax (safety tax)? I think it was introduced to prevent the major trade hub in Exordium from turning into a protected “Jita”. I don’t think the tax was there when they initially rolled it out; I think it got added later in one if the updates (or post official release). ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/452 "2026-07-20T02:52:02Z")
It is just one tax as seen in the screenshot above, it was added with the opening of Exordium iirc. Then the normal broker fees and sales tax. Either way, it was announced and planned for the entire time Exordium has been revealed to us players. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/453 "2026-07-20T02:52:40Z")
That tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907/454 "2026-07-20T08:44:24Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > it was added with the opening of Exordium iirc. Thats correct. The tax being added was even posted early on after Exordium was announced. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-24-01-cradle-of-war-general-feedback/512907.md?page=23)