# Visual Media, Memes, Propaganda and muh Culture War! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 28, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960 "2017-12-28T19:26:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/41 "2018-01-18T14:45:49Z")
Others do it because she has a history of being vitriollic towards people, even those who considered her friends at one point. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/42 "2018-01-18T14:48:14Z")
As she definately has with me. I just don’t see a reason to feed into it. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/43 "2018-01-18T14:51:46Z")
It’s not about feeding into it. It’s about stonewalling the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/44 "2018-01-18T14:54:23Z")
Wouldn’t stonewalling someone who wants nothing more but a response involve not responding? I just don’t see what it would accomplish. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/45 "2018-01-18T15:45:09Z")
It would involve not getting any other response than “we don’t like you” ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/46 "2018-01-18T16:01:06Z")
Somehow, I think she’s probably noticed that by now. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/47 "2018-01-18T16:19:52Z")
As long as there are people that respond in a benign manner, as well as a few other factors it won’t stop. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/48 "2018-01-18T17:21:07Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > The trouble with her statement is conflating freedom with chaos Diana’s native language has one word for both concepts. She insists on reading the term ‘freedom’ in the context of the physical sciences, rather than social sciences. When talking to her about such things, it’s better to use terms like ‘self-determination’ and ‘agency’. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/49 "2018-01-18T17:48:55Z")
Or so she claims. It does not. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/50 "2018-01-18T18:11:13Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Addressing the freedom vs order part of your reply, I actually can’t argue it. The only thing i can really say to it is that order allows constructive freedom to flourish. Freedom of thought can be destructive or chaotic as you put it but it can also give us things such as hyperdrives and every other technological marvel we have today. Without someone thinking outside of what is established and branching into new ideas we would still be dwelling on our homeworlds throwing rocks at each other. Your not wrong by any means about order and thought, though to me order is the discipline to keep free thought in check and focused. Freedom unfocused is really not a positive thing by any means. And again I cannot agree with you, Ms. Vess, because it’s not because of freedom we have technological marvels, but because of Order and ordered thoughts. It is our, human desire, to know more, to learn things, so we close gaps in our knowledge. It is our desire to make things perfect. To build, to create, to erect. You can’t build anything without systematic knowledge… well, maybe except a tent, that is not guaranteed to stand a night. Thinking outside is still consequence of systematization, of building new “shelves”, of expanding horizons. Freedom only prevents it, pushing you left and ride, sideways of your goals, changing your directions in unpredicted ways. With Freedom we wouldn’t have one working Sotyo-Urbaata drive, but hundreds of unfinished motors that barely could lift a hoverbike. I can agree though that Order is the discipline. And with discipline you can keep your mind focused and sharp. You can “drill” into any problem. You can expand any horizon. You can build marvels that nobody else have achieved, you can explore regions nobody else could. All because of the discipline, all because of the Order, because of systematic approach. That’s why Caldari scientists and engineers are the best in our cluster. Also, Ms. Vess, please don’t discuss my person with known slanderers, who are already quite infamous for spreading obvious lies about me. ---
**Author:** ![Tannia\_Ambrye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tannia_ambrye/32/410653_2.png) [@Tannia\_Ambrye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tannia_Ambrye)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/51 "2018-01-19T02:02:33Z")
I’d like to thank everyone’s efforts who kept this discussion on course and didn’t let it devolve into an endless thread of accusations and name calling. Your efforts are noted and appreciated, all of you. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/52 "2018-01-19T07:53:08Z")
This is incorrect, there are different words. Vaajaa means uncontrolled, unregulated, leaderless or free. Vaajpa means chaos or anarchy. Vaajpaan means freedom or liberation. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/53 "2018-01-19T08:46:20Z")
Perhaps something is being lost in the translation, then. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/54 "2018-01-19T09:02:49Z")
> [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > Vaajpa means chaos or anarchy. > > Vaajpaan means freedom or liberation. Your Napanii knowledge is incorrect. I have to switch to Achura language to educate you. Vaajpa means freedom, it is a _noun_. -an in Napanii is a stem used to build _adjectives_ from verbs. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/visual-media-memes-propaganda-and-muh-culture-war/47960/55 "2018-04-19T09:03:04Z")
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