# Vote on Niarja **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294 "2020-08-19T18:06:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/258 "2020-08-20T16:00:44Z")
More industry is done by people who would prefer to fund their PVP through means other than mining and ratting than by High-Sec carebears who the game would be better off without. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/259 "2020-08-20T16:05:20Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Because most highsec “players” are incompetent bot-like farmers. They don’t want change or opportunities to exploit, they want to farm the same menial content 23/7 with no interruptions permitted. I saw that exact paragraph not long ago. Now, when was it? Oh yeah. It was during the blackout. Only it didn’t say highsec. It said null “players”. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/260 "2020-08-20T16:06:10Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > I saw that exact paragraph not long ago. Now, when was it? Oh yeah. It was during the blackout. You may observe from my posts in the AFK cloaking thread that I am in full agreement with the claim that many nullsec players are bot-like farmer trash, if not actual RMT botters. Highsec just seems to have a higher concentration of them and fewer legitimate players to justify its existence. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/261 "2020-08-20T16:12:34Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > I saw that exact paragraph not long ago. Now, when was it? Oh yeah. It was during the blackout. > > Only it didn’t say highsec. It said null “players”. It was true then too. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/262 "2020-08-20T17:22:40Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/d/dd3a764ec807673e85d775a94560cb20775770a3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/263 "2020-08-20T17:38:43Z")
CCP have said the map changes are permanent before, they are also following up on this by syncing up the permanent changes between tq and serenity so that those changes become part of the common eve online ruleset. I dont see any way they can really undo the changes, it would be like messing with someone sov cause the enemy threw a fit. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/264 "2020-08-20T17:55:13Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > Make all gates look like this, so you all need to clear them and oblige people to only move in fleet or get ganked by the Trigs, lets see how you would like that. At best I see Battlecruisers, nothing that would pose a threat to caps. > [@REV001](#): > > Remember how null cried and mass rage quit when local chat was disabled ? This was also reverted, wasn’t it ? So are you going to cry and mass rage quit until CCP reverts Niarja? **Put your money where your mouth is.** Let’s see you pull a mass rage quit, otherwise your words are empty and meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Naava\_Edios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naava_edios/32/456336_2.png) [@Naava\_Edios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naava_Edios)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/265 "2020-08-20T18:59:54Z")
News flash folks, The chance to vote was when the system was Invaded. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/266 "2020-08-20T19:04:19Z")
_Sigh_ 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/267 "2020-08-20T19:05:19Z")
> [@Naava\_Edios](#): > > News flash folks, The chance to vote was when the system was Invaded. Yeah but that wasn’t a _fair_ vote because more Triglavian voters showed up than Edencom voters, so we demand a do-over! A fair one this time, where everyone casts their votes and then Niarja goes back to high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Commissar\_Iron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commissar_iron/32/239836_2.png) [@Commissar\_Iron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commissar_Iron)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/268 "2020-08-20T19:16:44Z")
Except more Edencom supporters were there until the null blocs showed up. Kybernauts were ahead at the start because they got the ball rolling early. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/269 "2020-08-20T19:17:35Z")
All my fillings are soft. Whomever keeps posting the Simpsons art should join us in the 21st Century. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/270 "2020-08-20T19:18:11Z")
> [@Commissar\_Iron](#): > > Except more Edencom supporters were there until the null blocs showed up. So you’re saying more edencom voters _were_ there until more triglavian voters showed up. You sound very smart. ---
**Author:** ![Commissar\_Iron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commissar_iron/32/239836_2.png) [@Commissar\_Iron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commissar_Iron)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/271 "2020-08-20T19:20:20Z")
Well it was really just that the Imperium chased them off at that point. Turns out Legacy broadcasting that the area is an important strategic location is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Wargod7850\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wargod7850_deninard/32/261169_2.png) [@Wargod7850\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wargod7850_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/272 "2020-08-20T19:20:55Z")
I agree, as a Edencomm Supporter i clearly would have wanted the system to become a fortress alas it did not. But to flip it because people do not want to travel or use jump freighters would itself be game breaking in my opinion. The triggs won this battle, lets hope they lose the next one. ---
**Author:** ![Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sakura_hoshizora/32/207431_2.png) [@Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sakura_Hoshizora)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/274 "2020-08-20T19:41:11Z")
Asking for do-overs is what children do. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/275 "2020-08-20T19:41:53Z")
It’s sarcasm. Believe me, it really is. If you knew her, you’d know. ---
**Author:** ![Blaedin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blaedin/32/435160_2.png) [@Blaedin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blaedin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/276 "2020-08-20T19:41:55Z")
No, don’t be a space liberal. Earn your own loots. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cygnus_carta/32/217843_2.png) [@Cygnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cygnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/277 "2020-08-20T19:43:43Z")
Personally I despise N+1 and hive mentality so I’m not a fan of some massive group showing up, who normally have no interest in it, to sway it in one direction or another. But it’s one step closer to my “each faction on its own high sec island” dream, so I’m good with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mira\_Vajus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mira_vajus/32/223875_2.png) [@Mira\_Vajus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mira_Vajus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/278 "2020-08-20T20:04:50Z")
As much as I dislike the deeply flawed invasion mechanics I still voted no on this question. EVE is for good and bad completely player driven and the majority just as expected chose to join team ‘chaos’ and flipped the system. Now as a part time trader I will probably be hit hard by this but the changes it most likely will bring also feels exciting and might be what actually makes me stick around this time instead of yet again quitting out of boredom. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=14)