# Vote on Niarja

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294 "2020-08-19T18:06:34Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/382 "2020-08-30T11:07:05Z")

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Do not feed the Doge.

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/383 "2020-08-30T11:08:46Z")

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But hes sooo kawai

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/384 "2020-08-30T11:16:33Z")

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so alt  
very bait  
much ban  
wow

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**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/385 "2020-08-30T11:22:50Z")

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This would not be such a big issue if there were a mechanic to take a Trig system back.

People are comparing this to taking null, but it is different. Null systems, as well as FW systems can be re-flipped, high sec Trig systems can not be flipped.

Basically, if you weren’t logged on for the 48 hours it took Niarja to flip, you’re SOL. Players should have a chance to retake both Edencom and Trig systems and then if players fail, laugh away.

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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/386 "2020-08-30T16:49:50Z")

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> [@Doge\_Kado](#):
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> lost is lost i agree, then due on this sistem pvp players and nullsec corps are taking advantage of this nullsec status

If you have the power to take a sov system then do it. Unlike high sec with CONCORD there is nothing preventing you.

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**Author:** ![Doge\_Kado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doge_kado/32/219977_2.png) [@Doge\_Kado](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doge_Kado)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/387 "2020-09-02T11:01:48Z")

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well seems they can afford to loose those ships 😃

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**Author:** ![Plan\_Neun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plan_neun/32/243246_2.png) [@Plan\_Neun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Plan_Neun)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/388 "2020-09-04T13:09:10Z")

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Turning it back, lol that was funny.

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**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/389 "2020-09-06T13:11:53Z")

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Niarja still claim ship in the name of the flow

Aka: grab popcorn and see the stargate into the undock of jita 4-4 but with explosion

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**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/390 "2020-09-06T17:20:33Z")

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So you see, CCP duzzn’t listen to thee, or thee, or thee, or thee x 578.

Surprise!

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**Author:** ![Kal\_Naros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kal_naros/32/228306_2.png) [@Kal\_Naros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kal_Naros)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/391 "2020-09-06T18:49:22Z")

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Can’t vote yet but if I could I would say no to restoring any system that falls to the Triglavians. Regardless of what I might feel about them carving up high-sec the active part of the playerbase have clearly demonstrated that they wanted the system to fall. To deny them this hard fought victory would feel very contrary to the sandbox nature that EVE is supposed to be.

EDIT: I can vote now and so have added my name to the ‘NO’ column.

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**Author:** ![Beekeeper\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beekeeper_bob/32/395030_2.png) [@Beekeeper\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beekeeper_Bob)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/392 "2020-09-06T21:08:41Z")

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What they should be doing is going all in, on both sides. Trig system should have cyno and cap capability. But people who join the Trig side should automatically be -10, and aggressively targets by all high sec police. This is like soft vanilla sandboxing.

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**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/393 "2020-09-06T21:27:46Z")

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> [@Beekeeper\_Bob](#):
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> Trig system should have cyno and cap capability. But people who join the Trig side should automatically be -10, and aggressively targets by all high sec police.

but why tho

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/394 "2020-09-06T23:26:14Z")

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> [@Beekeeper\_Bob](#):
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> What they should be doing is going all in, on both sides. Trig system should have cyno and cap capability. But people who join the Trig side should automatically be -10, and aggressively targets by all high sec police. This is like soft vanilla sandboxing.

Ah, asking for the NPCs to do all your dirty work for you again, I see.

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**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/395 "2020-09-07T11:38:36Z")

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asking the npc to do your work instead of actualy doing it ?

Aka: i am lazy and i don’t like defend my system

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**Author:** ![HumpityDumpity\_Doo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/humpitydumpity_doo/32/397283_2.png) [@HumpityDumpity\_Doo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HumpityDumpity_Doo)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/396 "2020-09-08T11:15:25Z")

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I assure you I don’t have a care bear stance on this matter. I don’t even know how you could even think that from what I said.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/397 "2020-09-08T11:35:21Z")

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> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> Ah, asking for the NPCs to do all your dirty work for you again, I see.

Well, NPCs do the dirty job for CCP. Players only help a bit.

I would really like an economy summary after all those invasions. What will happen.

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**Author:** ![Emiko\_P\_eng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emiko_p_eng/32/243920_2.png) [@Emiko\_P\_eng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emiko_P_eng)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/398 "2020-09-08T23:24:32Z")

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Hi All

As a Consummate Carebear Industrialist voted ‘I don’t Care’.

I will have to adjust how I make money, in the short term I might lose some money as I workout how to compensate for the loss of a short ‘relatively safe’ (I have lost freighters to complacency and carelessness in the past 🙂) route to Jita.

I will probably look at Amarr more closely and see how the market reacts to the fall of Niarja.

In the end though, at worst I might have to relocate, at best I might make more money.

Time will tell.

EVE is a sandbox with shifting sands, treacherous inhabitants and power politics, long may it remain so.

Yours  
One of the minnows, swiming with the sharks 😃

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/399 "2020-09-08T23:32:27Z")

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> [@Emiko\_P\_eng](#):
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> As a Consummate Carebear Industrialist voted ‘I don’t Care’.
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> I will have to **adjust** how I make money

I’m sorry, but if you’re willing to “adjust” anything, or engage in any other facet of adaptation to your environment, you are not entitled to utilize the term carebear to describe yourself. As such, I must revoke this right from you. Please refrain from making such an error in the future.

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**Author:** ![Battie\_Sueh\_Bahb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/battie_sueh_bahb/32/512472_2.png) [@Battie\_Sueh\_Bahb](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Battie_Sueh_Bahb)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/400 "2020-09-09T00:09:31Z")

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I think it’s kewl that such a major change in game geography was caused by player actions. I mean, think of RL with Crimea deciding to go with Russia, only to find that it’s hard to get goods and services now.

_all_ of us could have found out that this system was flipping. _all_ of us could have gone and fought. I didn’t, so hey.

If the major empires become more separated from each other, like Solitude, I’m sure that game play will change, but I think it’s kind of neat.

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**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/401 "2020-09-09T02:42:33Z")

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Do I get a wholesome cookie discount for having FC’d a 130 player fleet in defense of said route? 😉

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