# Vote on Niarja **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294 "2020-08-19T18:06:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/84 "2020-08-19T19:46:44Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > So CCP can laugh at all the small guys being slaugtered by goons, How did goons start out again? ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/85 "2020-08-19T19:47:14Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > > > Think you completely miss the point. You bring competive mechanic to space that was not meant to be competive. > > If you don’t realise that eve is a competitive game, in **all** it’s areas, maybe you’ve missed the point. So wise guy. Who am I winning when I beat mission npcs? Or when I do exploration sites? Or when I mine? lol ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/86 "2020-08-19T19:47:35Z")
I dont have anything valuable in this game, just some pixels. I am just fed up with how CCP treats players. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/87 "2020-08-19T19:48:55Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > So wise guy. Who am I winning when I beat mission npcs? Or when I do exploration sites? Or when I mine? lol Other explorers, miners and people with isk. Wealth is relative. And thus wealth generation is competitive. Welcome to the economy 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/88 "2020-08-19T19:54:49Z")
Just to remind you its not really a competition if another guy is not competing you. So really I think you are simply some teenager that just beats other people in online game because he feels bad. Whoohoo, you got some balls dude. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/89 "2020-08-19T19:58:57Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > Just to remind you its not really a competition if another guy is not competing you. It still is competition. Either in the belt, or being first to the market, or to sell at the best price, or to last the longest before getting ganked. It may not be an intense competition at times, but trust me, everything in eve is competitive. You are playing the most cutthroat game there is. Yes even in highsec. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/90 "2020-08-19T19:59:57Z")
> [@Shoshele](#): > > On a less serious note, why do so many of you people want the biggest risk during an Amarr-Jita trip to be (let’s be honest, barely present) gankers? Won’t it be more fun to actually have freight arbitrage between regional markets to be a viable part of the game again? Won’t it be more fun to fill a blockade runner with Amarr valuables and trying to slip past the Niarja gatecamp to make some quick money in Jita? The short Jita-Amarr route has compressed prices for a decade and centralised everything in one system, where’s the fun in that? This isn’t WoW, I don’t want Dalaran. The players crying about Niarja are players who don’t want **any** risk during an Amarr-Jita trip, whether Trigs, gankers, or whatever. In fact, they would prefer it if there was no risk at all, _anywhere_. They _definitely_ don’t want to slip past gate camps in a blockade runner. All they want to do is have money periodically deposited into their wallets while the game is running in the background while they’re doing something else, like watching TV. ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/91 "2020-08-19T20:04:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The players crying about Niarja are players who don’t want **any** risk during an Amarr-Jita trip, whether Trigs, gankers, or whatever. In fact, they would prefer it if there was no risk at all, _anywhere_ . They _definitely_ don’t want to slip past gate camps in a blockade runner. You are wrong. Old gate camp mechanic is completely fine. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/92 "2020-08-19T20:08:48Z")
I demonstrated my "I don’t care"vote by not showing up to push the system either way. CCP put the matter up for playing to vote by showing up in the system to engage in the content. The vote is over. ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/93 "2020-08-19T20:11:23Z")
> [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > The vote is over. the vote never over 🙃 till it over 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/95 "2020-08-19T20:15:46Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > You are wrong. You can always choose. You don’t have to run missions in main hubs where all the gankers gather. This is still competition. You’ve moved away from hubs so cannot generate wealth as fast due to travel times. So those mission runners that stay near the hubs make isk faster than you (albeit with a bit extra risk). > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > What comes to market lol. Its like you would say that its competeition to walk to work. If the first person to get to work got paid the most that day it would be. Cause that’s how it works in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/96 "2020-08-19T20:16:06Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > That is not competition or real pvp… its rape. I’m sure that real rape victims appreciate the comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/97 "2020-08-19T20:20:28Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > This is still competition. > > You’ve moved away from hubs so cannot generate wealth as fast due to travel times. > > So those mission runners that stay near the hubs make isk faster than you (albeit with a bit extra risk). Completely missing the point again. There are people that log into the game for casual fun and chat with friends. There is no competition in that. I choose to have distant spot from hubs because I want to. God listening you it sounds like you really think there is nothing else to life than money and competition. Its truly sad. May god forgive you. ---
**Author:** ![Jaden\_Jast](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaden_jast/32/224670_2.png) [@Jaden\_Jast](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaden_Jast)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/98 "2020-08-19T20:21:32Z")
To everyone who is in this thread arguing for or against what happened in Niarja, were you there on the front lines trying to flip the system one way or another? I don’t care what side you were on, but I don’t like people who whine about things that they could have done, but were not even there. There were many things that you can do even solo if you didn’t want to join a group. I saw 15-20 guys hold back a 100 man fleet just by repping rats in T1 logi cruisers. Even one person can slow down a large group in a cheap ship that cost less than 20 million isk if they didn’t want to join any of the fleets there. ---
**Author:** ![Mio\_Kugisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mio_kugisa/32/433122_2.png) [@Mio\_Kugisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mio_Kugisa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/99 "2020-08-19T20:22:32Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > mission runners are fitted for fits that give gankers easy hole to push their ammo in Not always true. Sometimes you can find 4 such players in one hour. Sometimes all of them can’t be ganked and you lost your time for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/100 "2020-08-19T20:23:45Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > I keep trying to vote “Yes” but then it moves over and clicks on “No” instead?? > > CCP mind control rays??? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/2/6241f884aadadfa45d3d577ba7742b4897f72178.jpeg "Homer Simpson tries to vote for Obama w/ electronic voting machine.flv") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV_c1-YTk8M) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/101 "2020-08-19T20:24:50Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > There is no competition in that. I choose to have distant spot from hubs because I want to. That’s fine. But you still make less money than those at a less distant spot which means, relatively speaking, you are losing wealth. This is why the eve populations generally crowd around markets. It’s more rewarding. Welcome to the economy where time, does indeed, equal money. Individuals like yourself may not worry about it that much, but just because they don’t doesn’t change the fact that eve, hi-sec included, is a competitive game. ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/103 "2020-08-19T20:27:03Z")
> [@Roan\_Pico](#): > > Every system in New Eden is PvP space, prove me wrong. > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/104 "2020-08-19T20:27:07Z")
tell that to nala, she is complaining about since seconds after the fall of niarja ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/105 "2020-08-19T20:28:07Z")
You can still shoot people in those systems. Just not gank noobs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=6)