# Vote on Niarja **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294 "2020-08-19T18:06:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mio\_Kugisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mio_kugisa/32/433122_2.png) [@Mio\_Kugisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mio_Kugisa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/106 "2020-08-19T20:28:54Z")
I can market-PvP with noobs in this systems. ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/108 "2020-08-19T20:32:00Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That’s fine. But you still make less money than those at a less distant spot which means, relatively speaking, you are losing wealth. > > This is why the eve populations generally crowd around markets. It’s more rewarding. > > Individuals like yourself may not worry about it that much, but just because they don’t doesn’t change the fact that eve, hi-sec included, is a competitive game. Apparently you don’t know what you speak of… When you run missions usually hubs LP and income is actually screwed because market overflows of the items and LP from those hubs. Sure you dont have to run one freighter or dst to jita once a week whatever. But honestly you can still basically use autopilot and go to ■■■■ when you transfer small enough loads. And you can still run your alt to whereever when you mission. But god your choice of words “you are losing wealth” lol. There are competition in eve but you could chose it. Now its enforced. Base mechanics are screwed. I dont bother reply anymore you are not worth my time. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/109 "2020-08-19T20:32:45Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/3/53f5a90fc2c7c3f65a189ba314be19332f88c381.jpeg "Niarja has fallen") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV86gZWiHTM) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/110 "2020-08-19T20:35:07Z")
> [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > Apparently you don’t know what you speak of… When you run missions usually hubs LP and income is actually screwed because market overflows of the items and LP from those hubs. Sure you dont have to run one freighter or dst to jita once a week whatever. But honestly you can still basically use autopilot and go to ■■■■ when you transfer small enough loads. And you can still run your alt to whereever when you mission. But that alt could still be doing something else, like mining. Read up on opportunity costs. And what it means. > [@Theia\_Matova](#): > > There are competition in eve but you could chose it. Now its enforced. Base mechanics are screwed. It was always involuntary in it’s many forms. ---
**Author:** ![I\_amAlone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/i_amalone/32/245746_2.png) [@I\_amAlone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/I_amAlone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/112 "2020-08-19T20:36:02Z")
I vote with - I dont care but I don’t what developers to intervene It be cool to make a player invasion on the sistem and restore it to high sec, and can be done once a week or something. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/113 "2020-08-19T20:37:31Z")
Even if they want to do something, it will land on bottom of the “to do” pile and arrive in 2030. I just hope I will live long enough to see an option to disable 🔴🔴🔴🔴 … ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/114 "2020-08-19T20:37:42Z")
> [@I\_amAlone](#): > > It be cool to make a player invasion on the sistem and restore it to high sec, and can be done once a week or something. That sounds like wardecs with extra steps. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/115 "2020-08-19T20:53:57Z")
Stellar reconnaissance is pve not pvp. The hisec krabbers have no right to complain. They can and should go to an invasion and kill triglavian rats (probably in a fleet of others if they’re unexperienced) if they want it to stay hisec. No defense, no right to complain ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/116 "2020-08-19T21:06:21Z")
That whot evryone is trying to said but…at this point they will only complain and unsub because “muh how dare ccp change the game” ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/117 "2020-08-19T21:13:40Z")
Edencom would have won if Imperium (large null sec Alliances) did not help out the Triglavian in fact Niarja lost to Triglavians in record time! > **[Triglavian Invasion underway in Niarja - INN](https://imperium.news/triglavian-invasion-underway-in-niarja/)** > > The Triglavian Collective has invaded the system of Niarja. This high-sec choke-point occupies a critical position in the Amarr/Jita shipping lanes. ---
**Author:** ![Aesir\_Valtari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aesir_valtari/32/488282_2.png) [@Aesir\_Valtari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aesir_Valtari)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/119 "2020-08-19T21:17:58Z")
I voted. And so this survey doesn’t matter, because CCP doesn’t care about the opinions of its players. After all, they know best how to be in this game and everyone else is ignorant of their great vision about EVE future. ---
**Author:** ![Pikak\_Aden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pikak_aden/32/224807_2.png) [@Pikak\_Aden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pikak_Aden)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/120 "2020-08-19T21:29:44Z")
Burn it all below 0.5 ---
**Author:** ![Vixen\_Vix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixen_vix/32/384059_2.png) [@Vixen\_Vix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixen_Vix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/121 "2020-08-19T21:42:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > doesn’t want to play a sandbox game > gets a sandbox game anyway > complains about it lol, Where do I complain? About Niarja? Read it again. It’s my opinion on changing fundamental game rules. Sandbox game is a minecraft. EVE is not. I’ll rephrase it: Where some BIG company (not CCP) still calls itself a startup. True some time ago, but not anymore. Sandbox is where you have free will and you make choices, where you fight PvE or not. EVE is no sandbox game anymore as PvE (not PvP) chases you and forces actions on you (while you are away). Invasion content is forced on hi-sec and low-sec. It’s not like you can avoid it and still play your playstyle. You **HAD** to choose sides. You can’t be neutral. Why I can’t be neutral in a sandbox game, as you call it, and do what I want to do. Null mechanic was **forced** on **hi-sec** and **low-sec**. Null invaded it. No Triglavians. What would you say if null turned into WH? Look at the patches: resists are nerfed, **no asset safety** in abandoned structures (like WH) (RL busy/sick players have nothing to return to), your online **game time is forced** on you (daily login rewards, daily check if hi/low-sec turned to null, etc.) ISK = real $$$, “ISK sinks” = what? Look at PLEX prices. EVE is no longer game for casual or seasonal gamers. Not NPE friendly. If so I want to see Triglavians in starter systems. That would be cool. You start in null and then discover other systems. Gamer is a customer. If you don’t like it, you vote with wallet. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/122 "2020-08-19T21:47:56Z")
> [@Vixen\_Vix](#): > > Null mechanic was **forced** on **hi-sec** and **low-sec**. Null invaded it. No Triglavians. What would you say if null turned into WH? lets turn some of the important null/low sec systems to high sec 😃 see how they would like it ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/123 "2020-08-19T21:48:56Z")
Cool. We’re up to the essay part of the thread now. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/124 "2020-08-19T21:50:42Z")
> [@Vixen\_Vix](#): > > Sandbox is where you have free will and you make choices, where you fight PvE or not. EVE is no sandbox game anymore as PvE (not PvP) chases you and forces actions on you (while you are away). Invasion content is forced on hi-sec and low-sec. It’s not like you can avoid it and still play your playstyle. You **HAD** to choose sides. You can’t be neutral. Why I can’t be neutral in a sandbox game, as you call it, and do what I want to do. It’s **CONTENT**. CCP presents to you a dynamic, changing environment, and then you choose how you respond to it with the tools you’re provided. You can’t have a sandbox without sand to play with. > [@Vixen\_Vix](#): > > Null mechanic was **forced** on **hi-sec** and **low-sec**. Null invaded it. No Triglavians. What would you say if null turned into WH? Me, personally? I’d absolutely **love** it. ---
**Author:** ![Xhao\_Helto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xhao_helto/32/195331_2.png) [@Xhao\_Helto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xhao_Helto)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/125 "2020-08-19T21:50:46Z")
Maybe someone should give me back my hauler too. I didn’t like the player actions that caused them to kill it on a gate camp, so we should reverse that too… ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/126 "2020-08-19T21:54:40Z")
…because, [it’s not as if the Goons wanted Niarja to drop to null to mess up with their war enemies from Legacy…](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2020/08/18/the-fall-of-niarja/) (Also there are no chances that the poll here is being manipulated by “someone”… no, not at all…) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/127 "2020-08-19T21:58:16Z")
> [@Vixen\_Vix](#): > > Why I can’t be neutral in a sandbox game You can, but your choices have consequences. > do what I want to do. Once again you can, but so can everybody else and in a game like Eve what you want to do may conflict what somebody else wants to do; conflict is the entire premise of the game whether it be passive conflict like mining or active conflict like shooting miners. If you decide that you don’t like this, may I acquire your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/128 "2020-08-19T22:10:51Z")
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