# Vote on Niarja **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294 "2020-08-19T18:06:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/175 "2020-08-20T01:18:06Z")
The normalisation of mediocrity? Screw that. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/176 "2020-08-20T01:19:27Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Where I live, they’re already outlawing competitive sports in school, removing “points” and “winners” and “losers” from competitions, trying to ban contact sports, etc. etc. > > Sounds good to me, that’s what should happen in all schools and it probably will be the norm eventually. ¯\ \_ (ツ)\_/¯ Maybe it’s good that the world is moving in that direction, I don’t know. The problem is that not every society is moving in that direction at the same time, or at the same rate. So the first ones to pacify themselves by getting rid of their competitive instincts and reaching the coveted Eloi stage are going to end up getting cannibalized by the others. Once again, maybe that’s a _good_ thing. I won’t be alive to find out either way. ---
**Author:** ![Shoshele](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shoshele/32/224869_2.png) [@Shoshele](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shoshele)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/177 "2020-08-20T01:20:07Z")
Proving is vital to society. Whether that’s done with tribal contests as in the Collective, or by corporate competition as in the State is irrelevant. Children who don’t learn to compete don’t grow into balanced individuals, when “Everyone is a winner”, nobody is. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/178 "2020-08-20T01:23:51Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The normalisation of mediocrity? > > Screw that. That’s not what it’s about, they encourage kids to compete against themselves. Apparently kids get on better in that environment and are more social. Probably because they don’t have the pressures of competition with others after all we are not all made equal. No doubt it also helps with kids mental health, if a kid loses all the time it won’t do them much good and such things can have long lasting effects. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/179 "2020-08-20T01:32:13Z")
Yea but it’s a flat out unhealthy mindset for kids to have, that they’re always winners. Participation trophies suck and we all know what that did to some people (a lot of people are entitled brats now). Removing competitive vocabulary altogether avoids the issue because everybody is “equal” in a sense but that idea kinda just rubs me the wrong way. Wrether people like it or not life will have winners and losers (unless everyone is the same, in which case you have pure communism) and being ignorant of that probably isn’t going to help much. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/180 "2020-08-20T01:34:26Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Where I live, they’re already outlawing competitive sports in school, removing “points” and “winners” and “losers” from competitions, trying to ban contact sports, etc. etc. Your country is so behind the times. Mine was doing all that ■■■■ back in the nineties. Everybody wins. Nobody loses. I was seriously considering homeschooling my kids through primary and secondary school. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/181 "2020-08-20T01:39:51Z")
Competing with oneself means that you get to set the standards that you aspire to, and many will set that level as low as possible. Idiocracy was a warning, not a guidebook. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/182 "2020-08-20T01:39:58Z")
If kids get on better with each other they are more likely to help each other. Competition tends to divide more than bring people together, whereas competition against yourself doesn’t effect anyone else. I knew it was being tested in at least one school and last I heard they were getting good results. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/183 "2020-08-20T01:41:48Z")
You have a good point but theres also the numerous problems it will cause once they leave school. In the real world, most things are competitive in some way and if someone grew up in a world that held their hand so much they never had to worry about competition, it’s not going to go well, I imagine ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/184 "2020-08-20T01:43:47Z")
Like good results where? This sort of castration has made an entire generation of people who have no idea how to deal with conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Shoshele](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shoshele/32/224869_2.png) [@Shoshele](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shoshele)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/185 "2020-08-20T01:43:52Z")
We already know that it doesn’t go well. The last generation are the most depressed generation we have data on. Anxiety in youths and young adults has spiked. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/186 "2020-08-20T01:45:10Z")
Generation Snowflake, where everybody is special. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/187 "2020-08-20T01:45:52Z")
or nobody is special ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/188 "2020-08-20T01:45:58Z")
Yep, and it’s because they were all told they were winners, even if they absolutely weren’t. When the real world hit them, they didn’t know what to do because they thought of themselves as the best. If someone grows up in an environment where instead of being told they’re winners, they’re told nobody wins or loses, it’ll probably have a similar result. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/189 "2020-08-20T01:49:09Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > No doubt it also helps with kids mental health, if a kid loses all the time it won’t do them much good and such things can have long lasting effects. That suggests there is something inherently wrong with losing. How did you come to that conclusion? > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > If kids get on better with each other they are more likely to help each other. I doubt that. A sense of ‘team’ seems more strong when it’s our tribe vs their tribe. Focusing on self would seem to encourage isolationist and introverted attitude. ‘I’m playing my way. Don’t interrupt me’ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/190 "2020-08-20T01:49:19Z")
The people that are special are the ones that succeed when all the odds are stacked against them. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/191 "2020-08-20T01:49:21Z")
The idea isn’t to keep patting them on the back and saying how good they are, it’s to encourage them to progress try to better themselves at their own pace (their ability). I do wonder what the transition between school and the work place will be, maybe before that happens the work place will change. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/192 "2020-08-20T01:50:55Z")
Having someone else to compete against tends to be a pretty good motivator in my experience. If you’re competing with yourself with no comparison of others, you might be happy with whatever you got at some point, wrether that’s pretty good or trash ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/193 "2020-08-20T01:53:59Z")
You know maybe that’s where it **really** comes from. They’re not used to losing. They hate it when others interfere. They don’t want to accept the rules they instead want them changed to suit their expectations. They stick to themselves. They don’t like competition. Carebears. Edit- and real life hits them like a gank in Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294/194 "2020-08-20T01:55:57Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > No doubt it also helps with kids mental health, if a kid loses all the time it won’t do them much good and such things can have long lasting effects. No, it isn’t good for your mental health to not be told that you are mediocre at something. You need to know that you are in order to either progress or move on to an other activity. We are heading towards a situation where we blame people for being goods because that hurts the feelings of other less goods people, and instead encourage them to be and stay mediocre so that at least they will never hurt anyones feelings. That’s pathetic. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-on-niarja/261294.md?page=10)