# Want to keep new players - Blatant scamming no longer has a place in modern eve **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 28, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041 "2021-06-28T07:31:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WhyTry1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whytry1/32/279050_2.png) [@WhyTry1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhyTry1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/1 "2021-06-28T07:31:22Z")
So im talking about double isk scams in Jita/Hubs, im talking about dodgy contracts that you allow to be maniupulated, im talking about the ability to change link text etc etc. Look if you want to keep new players then this isnt the way to do it. Its simply a massive put off. What do you think the player experience is when they start the game jump into jita and faced with all this BS in local and a game that fully supports basically other players stealing from others, blatantly. This is as much a kin to being mugged on the street. Its a terrible expererience, that the first thing they see is this. Sure corp thefts etc are interesting but these. jesus… ---
**Author:** ![Zyma\_TheZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zyma_thez/32/495589_2.png) [@Zyma\_TheZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zyma_TheZ)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/2 "2021-06-28T08:23:45Z")
If offer looks to good to be true it is scam, go by that rule and you will be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/3 "2021-06-28T08:52:36Z")
> [@WhyTry1](#): > > Look if you want to keep new players then this isnt the way to do it. No, that is not the way to keep suitable new players. EVE does not need all new players to stay, it needs those new players to stay that can understand what EVE is about, what EVE offers you and how to live with EVE. All the other new players that just keep crying and whinging about issues can go to hell and play Hello Kitty, Farmville, LOL or Valorant or whatnot. They have no place in EVE because they do not and will never understand EVE. The only thing they do is to change EVE into something that is not EVE. It is already regrettable that CCP has been catering to these incompetent fools for far too long and keeps wasting time on NPE experiments that drive EVE into the completely wrong direction. > [@WhyTry1](#): > > What do you think the player experience is when they start the game jump into jita Well, they learn important lessons early on: - Look really carefully what you are about to do. Ask other people for information before you click a button on something that you saw in local. That is basically why CCP pushes older players into the starter corps so that they help these dumbos to figure out EVE. - Use the block feature with utmost prejudice. If something is being spammed in local 100x per minute, it is nothing you need to see or pay attention to. If they cannot deal with these most basic scams in EVE, they will have a much, much harder time with the myriad of more sophisticated scams and will just cry even more later on. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/4 "2021-06-28T09:28:34Z")
The same prudence applies in New Eden as IRL. Chances are, if you can spot the obvious in Jita you will benefit from that skill in your real life, where scamming and phishing are fairly common. Also, Eve players usually do not want to be handheld. And we’d like to keep it that way, thank you. P.S. Corp theft is not a laughing matter for the duped, and it is not taken lightly or “interesting”. Jita scams are just playfulness, in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/5 "2021-06-28T09:38:25Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/a/5/ea5f6228d46ef7af5be3bb866e382103506f41cd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Jemai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_jemai/32/271235_2.png) [@Jin\_Jemai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Jemai)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/6 "2021-06-28T11:22:34Z")
The new players that leave because of stuff like this are the players we don’t want in our Eve. Good riddance to them. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/7 "2021-06-28T12:41:57Z")
> [@WhyTry1](#): > > This is as much a kin to being mugged on the street. Its a terrible expererience, that the first thing they see is this. And killing other players is a kin to being a murderer right? Whether you like it or not, some people come to eve for the scamming, thieving and deceit. And one of the best parts about this game play is that new players can be the scammers, thieves and deceitful from day one. Maybe eve just isn’t for **you**. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/8 "2021-06-28T13:08:20Z")
Scams are there in every online game I have played. What I love about EVE is that they _embraced_ the scams as part of the ruthless ingame universe. Other games disallow scams, make it reportable to scam and ban players for scamming. Does that stop scams? Not at all, people continue doing it. Ban scams in EVE and people will continue doing it here as well, except that now CCP has to follow up on both bot _and_ scam reports. CCP did the smart thing and allows scams, or even encourages scams as part of the gameplay. Scams are great. Check those contracts before you accept them. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elle\_Mendez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elle_mendez/32/297262_2.png) [@Elle\_Mendez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elle_Mendez)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/9 "2021-06-28T15:05:23Z")
That New Eden will not hold your hand is both daunting and exhilarating and its greatest asset. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/10 "2021-06-28T20:20:08Z")
OP may I interest you with some cheap 1 mil Geckos? 😉 ![1165272880_preview_guidelines_trustno1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/6/563f7cf0540c51b36279f94d42c936a7e1386471.png) 😏 :dealwithitparrot: ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/11 "2021-06-28T21:16:55Z")
We don’t want the types of people playing EVE that will fall for every scam in the game. It keeps the riff raff out. Working as intended… ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/12 "2021-06-28T21:20:45Z")
You think EVE local is bad? Filled with scammers? You have not seen Warframe trade chat! x100 faster and worse then what jita local could ever be. ---
**Author:** ![FORCY\_FUNTIMES\_MEATWATER](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forcy_funtimes_meatwater/32/423647_2.png) [@FORCY\_FUNTIMES\_MEATWATER](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/13 "2021-06-28T21:23:02Z")
When I was a new player, within two months I racked up around 2b from Jita ISK doubling - which I learned from losing 10m ISK to the same scam. Scamming is a great part of the game and more new players should adapt and take advantage of it, like I did. There’s not a lot of other games with this amount of freedom. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/14 "2021-06-28T21:24:04Z")
I love this forum. Year after year it’s the same thing. You could quit for two years, log back in to the forum and you will come back to the exact same threads about scamming, bumping, ganking, and “gibs more stuff to Alphas”… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/15 "2021-06-28T22:13:18Z")
> [@WhyTry1](#): > > Look if you want to keep new players then this isnt the way to do it. [Citation needed] I’m sure you’ve got actual evidence to support and back up this claim, right? Like testimonials, surveys, polls, and interviews with a significant number of new players who quit specifically for this reason but would have otherwised stayed and continued to play the game had it not been for local chat in Jita (and pretty much only Jita). Right? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/16 "2021-06-29T09:23:47Z")
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what the heck… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/17 "2021-07-01T20:56:46Z")
The last time they responded to a scam complaint they made it so freighters can unload without docking. “Magic Cargo Transfer” Please don’t encourage this development team to make changes. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/18 "2021-07-02T13:40:53Z")
> [@WhyTry1](#): > > Look if you want to keep new players then this isnt the way to do it. I don’t scam people but when I signed up the fact that it was part of the game increased my interest in the game not the other way around. I still like that it’s part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/19 "2021-08-08T13:25:45Z")
Scamming is eve. ---
**Author:** ![Mahalakala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mahalakala/32/283689_2.png) [@Mahalakala](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mahalakala)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041/20 "2021-08-08T14:24:05Z")
Protection of newbie is critical to the game. I’m less than 30 days in, got ganked in a 0.8 system mining with my first purchased ship. That doesn’t want me to stick around- I’m just getting into the routine, getting into the game only to be knocked back to day one. Note to mention the attempt to scam ISK me afterwards. I’m sure the has been lots of conv. but if there is a nullsec why isn’t there a allsec with very limited resources? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/want-to-keep-new-players-blatant-scamming-no-longer-has-a-place-in-modern-eve/318041.md?page=2)