# War Dec Abuse, Driving Small Alliances and New Players Away **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264 "2018-06-15T23:05:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/346 "2018-06-17T00:21:44Z")
Go back and read your half assed points were answered multiple times. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/348 "2018-06-17T00:24:27Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Go back and read your half assed points were answered multiple times. No, they were not. I looked. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/349 "2018-06-17T00:24:40Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Yep multiple times CCP has had to take steps from keeping the population from dwindling to critical levels. How many times does the game need to avoid death before embracing life? So when exactly did it dwindle to critical levels. Must have missed that. You know, just making up stuff we all now immediately is completely wrong will not win you any points. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/351 "2018-06-17T00:30:36Z")
If CCP hadn’t detected a huge problem that would lead to a population crash, they never would have made the transition from 2 week trials to permanent alphas. Free accounts bringing in randoms can only bridge the gap so far, the toxicity issue needs to be addressed, to stabilize the population, and enable growth. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/352 "2018-06-17T00:32:37Z")
Feel free to cite a source for that myth. There was no population crash. They simply adapted their game to a changed marked where free2play becomes the norm for MMOs. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/353 "2018-06-17T00:33:11Z")
Again, they saw problems that would lead to a population crash. Read. Comprehend. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/354 "2018-06-17T00:37:11Z")
I agree that the toxicity problem has to be addressed. People like you should have no business recruiting new players and poisoning them with your defeatist attitude. The game would be better off without corps like yours. But we will take care of that. No need for CCP to do something. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/355 "2018-06-17T00:37:35Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > stabilize the population [http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) it’s pretty stable ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/356 "2018-06-17T00:37:54Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > If CCP hadn’t created _“features” that resembled P2W and removed various mechanics in the forlorn hope of attracting an audience that Eve has never had, in turn driving away long term players_, they never would have made the transition from 2 week trials to permanent alphas. FTFY. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/357 "2018-06-17T00:40:37Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Again, they saw problems that would lead to a population crash. Read. Comprehend. So youre saying you work for, or worked for CCP? You know what they saw, and the reason for bringing in Alphas? Can i get a confirmation on this. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/358 "2018-06-17T00:42:03Z")
To try and explain this so a child would understand… So, there was a village with a lot of people who played a fun a game, the rules to the game only changed if everyone agreed, so a group began winning because they found a loophole in the rules, they won again, and again, and again. The people who won were very happy, but the other families in the village, who did not know the loophole, could not win, and so over time became more unhappy, as the winner became more happy. Over time, the winners were able to take advantage of countless numbers of others, because winners are right, so you should do what a winner says. Should everyone be free to do as they please, or should PIRAT and other merc alliances win because they found a loophole? Do you want a game that grows, or a game that stagnates? PIRAT wants stagnation, I want growth, you can say what you will. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/359 "2018-06-17T00:44:00Z")
Let me guess, you are the village idiot in that story ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/360 "2018-06-17T00:44:24Z")
They called, they want him back. Edit. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > loophole ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/6/a6a2027dcd0863b09e1b7580e343cc470038b888.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/361 "2018-06-17T00:49:20Z")
Maybe if you meme harder it will hide your lack of intellect. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/362 "2018-06-17T00:51:25Z")
My intellect is just fine thanks, your ego on the other hand is out of control. This guy is starting to sound like Fab Rod, if so his new script is failing to hide his identity. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/363 "2018-06-17T01:07:54Z")
How much is it to wardecs this man? I can’t log in ATM but it seems worthwhile ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/364 "2018-06-17T01:09:18Z")
377 members, lol Yokai (I had forgotten about that) ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/365 "2018-06-17T01:11:03Z")
~200mil ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/366 "2018-06-17T01:11:17Z")
Then kids wonder why the game’s population can’t grow, when they act like this? XD ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/367 "2018-06-17T01:12:09Z")
But I don’t wonder, I’m fine with it being stable [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264.md?page=19)