# War Dec Abuse, Driving Small Alliances and New Players Away **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264 "2018-06-15T23:05:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/101 "2018-06-16T09:17:12Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > they are able to abuse the war dec system with impunity, and zero consequences, ever. They are using the war dec system within its rules, there is nothing wrong with that. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Is this really how the War system was intended to function? Yes. In EVE you have tools to use as you please. There are no “matchmaking player count limits” and that is what makes EVE great and unique. Corps can have hundreds of war decs, player battles have no limits and you can have thousands of participants. That is the beauty of the true sandbox. If you desire such arbitrary limits, you can play literally any other MMO. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > basic definition of piracy Yeah, that is EVE. It is not for everyone and that is fine. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/102 "2018-06-16T09:20:46Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > concord maybe shouldn’t support such open aggression in high sec? That’s what war dec fees do - they make CONCORD let you settle your differences undisturbed. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > drive people away Yeah, EVE is not for everyone and that is fine. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/103 "2018-06-16T09:24:33Z")
If eve were meant to be a 100% combat oriented predatory game, it wouldn’t contain such a variety of activities. What’s the point in having all these options? If people are so bored with the game that they need to manipulate the war system in order to prey on a larger number of new / alpha pilots, and can only derive enjoyment from disrupting someone else, how is that not a sign of degeneration and toxicity? ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/104 "2018-06-16T09:30:18Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Over 300 of which are inactive every alliance they declared against has fewer than 100 actives. So join a more active alliance. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/105 "2018-06-16T09:32:16Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > “Declaring war” on 96 separate countries wouldn’t be a war, it’d be an act of insanity / piracy, and international bodies would act accordingly. You seem to be confusing a game with real life. I should seek the help of a qualified therapist before it’s too late… ---
**Author:** ![Otia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/otia/32/90744_2.png) [@Otia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Otia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/106 "2018-06-16T09:32:33Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > If people are so bored with the game that they need to manipulate the war system in order to prey on a larger number of new / alpha pilots Where is the manipulation? If you have money you can pay for more wars. It’s a pretty simple concept that you appear to be having a hard time grasping, and frankly the repeated banging of your head against the desk was at first amusing, but now it’s clear that you’re simply being obtuse. Additionally, inviting all your friends and alts in here to blindly like your OP isn’t going assist in facilitating any change. ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/107 "2018-06-16T09:37:32Z")
You can also put wardeck bounty and all that PVP ■■■■ on me and my corp: it is Lady Sylvanas Guard, or LSG feel free to put wardeck bounty or own your personal venndeta. I plexed enough ships omegas and equipent so I wil l hardly notice it and you will feel soo big and important. See how am I good and big person and how small you are … ---
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/108 "2018-06-16T09:38:32Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > I genuinely pity the sad life you must have, all you know is spewing hate and nonsense, I hope something good happens for you soon, so that maybe you can grow as a person and let go of this toxicity. This game is about murdering each other. It is only a game though. I want to murder you too, as many posters in this thread. But only in game. It has nothing to do with our real life personalities. It sounds to me like you just don’t understand the game you are playing. Just embrace it and go shoot people in the face! Or don’t, just stop whining, please. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > If eve were meant to be a 100% combat oriented predatory game, it wouldn’t contain such a variety of activities. All PvE activities are there to make money for replacing stuff you lose fighting other players. Yeah the tutorials won’t tell you that but that’s how EVE is. Get over it. o/ ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/109 "2018-06-16T09:39:29Z")
> [@Nisanthro](#): > > All PvE activities are there to make money for replacing stuff you lose fighting other players. Yeah the tutorials won’t tell you that but that’s how EVE is. Get over it. Eve is not all about PVP accept it and get over it… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/110 "2018-06-16T09:40:20Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Don’t acknowledge logic or reason, just keep saying that unless you _don’t_ like things the way they are you’re “whining”. FIFY . ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/111 "2018-06-16T09:40:54Z")
it is sort of cute when a new player posts here with righteous indignation about some “obviously broken mechanic that needs fixing RIGHT NOW!!”, not realizing that said mechanic has been a part of EVE gameplay for at least the past ten years. Examples include scamming, wardecs, ganking, awoxing and bumping. ---
**Author:** ![Otia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/otia/32/90744_2.png) [@Otia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Otia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/112 "2018-06-16T09:42:16Z")
Safer now than it’s ever been, but then that’s the problem with entitled types… give them more and they’ll keep wanting more. ---
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/113 "2018-06-16T09:42:24Z")
> **[EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf)** > > 8.68 MB Page 22. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/114 "2018-06-16T09:43:52Z")
Hmm… Does a poster who’s only argument is to keep repeating the same argument time and time again remind you of anyone ? _eta: Sorry about the multiple responses, it’s just that this OP is making me angry. For the sake of my blood pressure I’ll hide this thread…_ ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/115 "2018-06-16T09:45:19Z")
from wikipedia: “CCP hf, doing business as CCP Games, is an Icelandic video game developer based in Reykjavík. Novator Partners and General Catalyst collectively own a majority stake in the company.” it does not metter what has been last 10 years, if CCP do not start to produce profit it will be in deeeeep trouble !!! Last ten years they spend lots of money on busted project and now time has changed so your argument “last ten years …” is **irrelevant now** ---
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/116 "2018-06-16T09:45:26Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/7/f712c58575e73d90ea487834c98cbb0398a2eee5.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zimmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_zimmer/32/475633_2.png) [@James\_Zimmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Zimmer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/117 "2018-06-16T09:55:58Z")
I think that’s a fair question, and the interpretation that you provided is an option, but I don’t think it’s a good one. As a base level, a player corp is not very different to an NPC corp, other than that it’s a smaller group of people. A player corp can do things that are different than an NPC corp, like anchor a structure, or join an alliance, but until you do those sorts of things, I don’t think you should be vulnerable to a wardec. IMO, a player corp’s mere existence doesn’t represent something that requires counterplay. ---
**Author:** ![z0rberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rberg/32/29223_2.png) [@z0rberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rberg)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/118 "2018-06-16T10:00:02Z")
Why do you respond to yourself? > [@mimi45](#): > > You can also put wardeck bounty and all that PVP ■■■■ on me and my corp: it is Lady Sylvanas Guard, or LSG feel free to put wardeck bounty or own your personal venndeta. I plexed enough ships omegas and equipent so I wil l hardly notice it and you will feel soo big and important. > > See how am I good and big person and how small you are … I. can. spell. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/119 "2018-06-16T10:02:38Z")
Why haven’t I seen this thread sooner? Already 118 replies! ![popcorn](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/6/630ce9bd861aaa76643d60241266f6c7cb503f76.gif) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zimmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_zimmer/32/475633_2.png) [@James\_Zimmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Zimmer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264/120 "2018-06-16T10:03:17Z")
My first corp ran into a targeted wardec. From what I remember, about half of the people in the corp left the game for good. Whether or not you have distain for carebears who live in highsec, from a purely financial standpoint, I think CCP should look at the mechanics. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-abuse-driving-small-alliances-and-new-players-away/83264.md?page=7)