# War Deccing newbro corps **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [October 27, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325 "2018-10-27T19:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/122 "2019-02-05T11:29:04Z")
It’s been a while, but when I joined up with the Orphanage, we were guaranteed 15 wardecs a week against large null blocks. I found that maybe 10% of the orphanage were guys who were solid mechanics, capable of executing sound maneuver in any ship, against any ship. The other 90% were following directions, doing what everyone else was doing, and blapping all the flashie red dots. They were all in, but most just weren’t very skilled. We absolutely slaughtered the null guys, wholesale. I was in several fleet fights against null entities that I recall, and I can’t recall losing one. We each had dozens of ships in the local area to choose from, good scouts, and (comparatively) a lot of smart mechanical players. Null fleets tended to be one-dimensional. They had an obvious doctrine, one method of winning, and they would show up for a fight after traveling 30 jumps ready to take any fight. As we would have been watching them for 15 jumps, naturally we would be flying a scissors fleet to their paper fleet… we would meet them on a gate with a bait ship, split their fleet, and mop up the mess. Over and over I hear people call highsec fighters risk averse… which is true of some but is equally or more-so true of the fleet fighter of null. It is the small gang mechanic that I respect though, that 10%… they’d chase you across the game in an Ibis to get a fight. And then they’d win. They also did highsec wars. My opinion… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/123 "2019-02-05T16:16:02Z")
@ISD_Sakimura This thread is obsolete due to game changes. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/124 "2019-02-05T17:31:28Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > This thread is obsolete due to game changes. Not necessarily. People will always complain, even claiming they are a newbro Corp that pooled their isk to build and deploy their first citadel only to be wardecced by those mean mean vets. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/125 "2019-02-05T17:57:09Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Not necessarily. People will always complain, even claiming they are a newbro Corp that pooled their isk to build and deploy their first citadel only to be wardecced by those mean mean vets. I stand corrected 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/127 "2019-04-09T10:18:55Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Well, the problem is that 10 whining subsriptions is less than 1 hard core gamer with 40 of them. I wish I only had 40 of them. Still recovering from a hard drive failure losing my list of accounts and toons on them all. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/128 "2019-04-09T11:13:13Z")
As i said before, and i will say it again, war eligibility based on stations makes no sense. I could make 100 times better design choices to eves, with far less work arounds, it almost makes me think they are not thinking things out. Here’s the deal-i-o… Eligibility based on stations is not a good stance. The system should be changed as follows - War Eligibility is now based on a standing system, with mutual declaration. - Two entities can declare each other “rival” or “friends”. if the political position with them is mutual, they will grant or lose reputation to each other over time. standings update each day after downtime and grant - 0.5 or +0.5 standing a day (based on treaty type). This will set +10 or -10 over 20 days. - Being -5.0 will allow for a war declaration is allowed to be launched. - Being 5.0 will allow an “alliance” to be launched. Additional changes to help support this system. - Enable a monthly isk fee for corporations based on player count, like alliances incur. This will help fight alt corporations. - Set the value for corps at 1 million per a bracket amount. Alliance should be flat rate 10 million per a toon. - failure to play closes a corp - 30 days after a corp is closed, it cannot be reopened, and is deleted. - all corporations have 90 days to obtain and keep 25 people. - If you fall below 25, you will obtain a 30 day warning of corporate closure. Corporate structures - Corporations should be reworked to limit the amount of stations and station of a type they can have, so they cannot drop stations on every moon in a system. this will help free up more space. 1 Million for 0-50 players 2 million for 50 - 100 players 3 million for 100-200 players 5 million over 200 players. this will significantly improve the game, reduce spam, and help clear up moons for others, and overall improve other related aspects of eve. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/129 "2019-04-09T12:18:28Z")
So to be war dec immune all I have to do is simply not declare anyone a rival. Also I just move my corp every month to a new header, war dec immune since takes time for standings to fall. Even if somehow you work past my first point. Moons are irrelevant except for moon mining, so you clearly don’t have a clue there, since Upwell structures can go anywhere. Congratulations, you made a far worse system than structure based wardecs that forces people to grind just to have a space with friends. Great way to make people want to play EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/130 "2019-04-09T12:25:24Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > So to be war dec immune all I have to do is simply not declare anyone a rival. Correct. Because 46% of the potential people in eve do not want to pvp, AT ALL. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Moons are irrelevant except for moon mining, so you clearly don’t have a clue there, since Upwell structures can go anywhere. Limiting corporations prevents abuse, like spamming stations all over like some do, to make insane amounts amounts of isk. its strange how few have caught on to this and none realize it. #go Goons i am onto you. Additionally, limiting stations, or even limiting stations to specific amounts of systems consolidates corporations which helps improve the rates of corporate interaction. It also helps improve the value of moons by making people want to pick a good moon for their corp. this improve the quality, and helps also motivate low sec adventures. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/131 "2019-04-09T12:29:37Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Because 46% of the potential people in eve do not want to pvp, AT ALL And that is why it will never happen. Because EVE is built on destruction as one of its corner stones, and having the means of production with stations without the counterweight of destruction breaks the game. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/132 "2019-04-09T12:32:02Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > And that is why it will never happen. You are not in power to make that choice for this game, no one at ccp is. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Because EVE is built on destruction as one of its corner stones, and having the means of production with stations without the counterweight of destruction breaks the game. Who said the only way to lose ships was pvp? ---
**Author:** ![TheMauti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/themauti/32/103208_2.png) [@TheMauti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheMauti)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/133 "2019-04-09T12:59:36Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Who said the only way to lose ships was pvp? Everyone he isn’t bad at PvE. ---
**Author:** ![Commander\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_kane/32/199755_2.png) [@Commander\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commander_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/134 "2019-04-09T13:31:45Z")
Are you still in plasma drive? I think its time to Wardec plasma drive. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/135 "2019-04-09T13:46:20Z")
> [@TheMauti](#): > > Everyone he isn’t bad at PvE. And everyone is not bad at pvp. Ccp has actually stated there are groups of corps with 105 kills to 1 death ratios. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/136 "2019-04-09T13:46:50Z")
> [@Commander\_Kane](#): > > Are you still in plasma drive? I think its time to Wardec plasma drive. Not war eligible, and will never be. No war dec will be launched on this alliance under current mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/137 "2019-04-09T16:56:42Z")
[The Main Kane Man](https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100990/1868801-lobo07.jpg)! : D Could you evemail @Solstice_Projekt and @Black_Pedro information about his whereabouts, or even better, everything you have? Wasting time doing duplicate work is silly. I’ll clue you in once I get to work things out with my afro-mexican friend. I’m always looking for a new reason to enjoy the game. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/138 "2019-05-07T13:49:49Z")
> [@Teddy\_Suneater](#): > > If all newbros stopped playing this game, you wouldn’t have a game to play. Untrue. It’s a fact that this game has for a long time been kept alive by a tiny population of players using heaps of subscribed alt accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/139 "2019-05-07T13:54:50Z")
> [@Teddy\_Suneater](#): > > You all are probably going to berate me as a new player for this but I’ll just post this anyways. As a new player (2 months old) I joined a corp in highsec. We were based out of Dod and I loved every second of it. That is until we got war decced by an alliance called RIOT. A lot of you will say “Dude just join an NPC corp, then you can’t get war decced”. The thing is I actually like my corp, I like the players, I like the activities that we do. For a new player being in a corp with real people on a discord killing rats in belts and doing small fleet PvP is fun. So no, joining an NPC corp and leaving them is not an option to most newbros. We don’t join EVE to sit and talk with robots all day, we join it to have fun. So back to the story, they war decced us, now every time I enter almost anywhere in Highsec I get ganked by RIOT. I have a strong feeling that this is why a lot of new players quit this game. All you vets who say “well blah blah dont play EVE then if you can’t handle it”. This isn’t about me going to lowsec or nullsec and getting killed because I’ve done that and it’s 100% on me. This is about being in highsec and getting camped repeatedly until I just log off. EVE isn’t a very new player friendly game to start with, but something like this shouldn’t happen to new players. These corps that take advantage of the new players are no better than max level characters on WoW camping level 10s because they can’t actually fight a max level character. Anyways I’m hoping that the changes will hopefully stop some of this stuff from happening with War Deccing, but judging by how scummy the people are in these corps I see them trying to find loop holes to continue to do it. > > My point in this is that your mentality of “Blame the newbro because he’s a newbro and shouldn’t play EVE if he can’t take it” is completely invalid. As vets you should be promoting the game to new individuals, not snuffing them out. If all newbros stopped playing this game, you wouldn’t have a game to play. > > In ending, find some other way to rather than scamming new corps out of isk, if you want to war it out in Null sec thats fine, just don’t drag the new population into it. You’ll end up just killing this game even further. Hi Teddy, thank you for your post. If you checkout this page: [Elite Alpha: Project Haven](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-alpha-project-haven/145597) I run the project from Arnon, which is one of Eve’s ‘Protected’ systems: Protected means that new players are protected from player griefing. Why not get your corporation to move there? > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... ---
**Author:** ![Nysta\_Miityew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nysta_miityew/32/132401_2.png) [@Nysta\_Miityew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nysta_Miityew)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/140 "2019-05-07T13:59:05Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Hi Teddy, thank you for your post. It was Teddy’s first and last post and it was made over a year ago. I think he’s gone… ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/141 "2019-05-07T14:01:35Z")
Thanks Nysta, i’m kinda new to the forums and wasn’t paying attention to the timestamp on the right of the screen! ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325/142 "2019-05-07T14:12:15Z")
I’d like to point out that those protections do have limitations and they aren’t a get out of PVP -card. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-deccing-newbro-corps/116325.md?page=8)