# War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763 "2020-03-14T13:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/244 "2020-03-14T22:45:32Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > This is also what I already told him : keep structures in holder corps. That would require effort, forethought and some basic game knowledge, how dare you suggest that such things be required to place a structure with an absolute minimum of risk. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im sitting in one Naari gave me for free. It’s a shame you can’t go all Minmatar on it, by strapping loads of mismatched junk engines to it with chewing gum and gaffer tape; and then timmy it into lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/245 "2020-03-14T22:46:00Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > It’s not rocket science dearie. so I guess you never undock either, cause you can’t protect your own ship if someone wants to kill you. It’s not rocket science dearie. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/246 "2020-03-14T22:46:20Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > They’ll place a nice little rait for some copying, or athanor and try some moon mining. > > And when I show up at their moon mining op and “steal” their ore or bump them out of the field so they can’t even mine their own ore, they will be crying for just “one more nerf”… Didn’t realise you are omnipresent. Weird how I’ve never seen you. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/247 "2020-03-14T22:47:32Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > yeah, so your post is irrelevant - which I already told you. No. It’s the most relevant approach for the OP and your opinion doesn’t make you correct. Just because you seem to lack understanding of it, doesn’t make it irrelevant. Just means you have some limitation in this discussion. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Added WHAT ? > BS. I added nothing of the sort you claim. ■■■■■■■■. You added in that this is about > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The question is, how to avoid being jumped by a 100-ppl corporation when you just start your first structure That full sentence I assume is all meant to be relevant. That is, the when you start your first structure is relevant to avoiding being jumped. The OP indicated earlier that that is not relevant: > [@Namtis](#): > > Completely misses the point of the thread and clearly did not read. Pirat does not usually war dec for structure bashing. It’s only to get targets to kill most of the time The OP claims this is only about players as targets. “Only” is pretty self explanatory. And the answer to your extension, about how to avoid being jumped when you start your first structure was also posted earlier. Simple diagram again to aid understanding: ![wars](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/c/5c90ed4c085d73368673a1762066a2d4461a1306.png) Put all of the members in the non-eligible corp and they don’t have to worry about wars. The structure itself can be made almost invisible, just like the thousands that already scatter highsec without the holding corp ever being wardecced. Wars have been nerfed into the ground since the recent changes. The OP is crying over nothing. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/248 "2020-03-14T22:47:33Z")
Unfortunately I can’t be everywhere at once, but I do try… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/249 "2020-03-14T22:47:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > That would require effort, forethought and some basic game knowledge, how dare you suggest that such a thing should be required to place a structure with an absolute minimum of risk. The thing is that the answer provided by some BSer was to “not be wardeccable” without specifying how to do so. Holder corp requires minimum effort, you can fuel the corp from your main.but there are a lot of caveats. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/250 "2020-03-14T22:48:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > so I guess you never undock either, cause you can’t protect your own ship if someone wants to kill you. If someone wants me dead then they’re free to try and kill me, they have to either catch me or fool me into doing something stupid first though. If they manage to do so they’ll get a GF from me, and if they snag my pod a sizeable amount for my corpse from at least one interested party that would like it in his collection. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/251 "2020-03-14T22:51:34Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > ■■■■■■■■. You added in that this is about Then that’s literally BS. again. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No. It’s the most relevant approach for the OP and your opinion doesn’t make you correct. No, it’s irrelevant because it does not adress the issue, just like “die” is not a cure to a disease. It’s just literally irrelevant. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That is, the when you start your first structure is relevant to avoiding being jumped. Because BEFORE you start your first structure you can’t be wardecced -.- And if you are big enough you can defend yourself. OMFG It does not mean that the structure in itself is irrelevant, but the TIME “when”. so yes, BS from you. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > If someone wants me dead then they’re free to try and kill me, they have to either catch me or fool me into doing something stupid first though. Unrelated. You can’t defend your ship, so you should not board it. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/252 "2020-03-14T22:51:48Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > This is also what I already told him : keep structures in holder corps. > > That would require effort, forethought and some basic game knowledge, how dare you suggest that such a thing should be required to place a structure with an absolute minimum of risk. It almost sounds like you expect newer players to fully understand the meta on how best to game the system. And might I add, it’s a sad state of affairs if everyone keeps their structures in one man alt corps. Strange though that most structures I see are not owned by 1 man alt corps. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/253 "2020-03-14T22:52:43Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The thing is that the answer provided by some BSer was to “not be wardeccable” without specifying how to do so. It was specified [about 100 posts ago](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-extra-war-you-declare/225763/149). Maybe read a bit more and quit the BS yourself. Of course, being wrong you won’t acknowledge that, just ignore it instead and pretend you were correct, when you weren’t. Unfortunate, but typical. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/254 "2020-03-14T22:52:52Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > And might I add, it’s a sad state of affairs if everyone keeps their structures in one man alt corps. Strange though that most structures I see are not owned by 1 man alt corps. Well that’s how it is. Put all structure in 1 man corp so you can enjoy the game while other people bash your structure. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/255 "2020-03-14T22:54:07Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > It’s a shame you can’t go all Minmatar on it, by strapping loads of mismatched junk engines to it with chewing gum and gaffer tape; and then timmy it into lowsec. It breaks my heart to know I cannot do that. “Wont fit through the gate? MORE DOGS!” [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq0eFkptu2c) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/256 "2020-03-14T22:54:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Unrelated. > > You can’t defend your ship, Totally related, part of a good defence is not being a viable target; which can be achieved in a number of ways. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/257 "2020-03-14T22:55:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Totally related, part of a good defence is not being a viable target; which can be achieved in a number of ways. And still people can kill it because it’s how Eve is. Therefore you can’t defend it. So you should not board it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/258 "2020-03-14T22:57:18Z")
This is all down to semantics. As usual. God forbid dialects exist ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/259 "2020-03-14T22:58:35Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > This is all down to semantics. As usual. I’m just fed up of people making up arbitrary BS rules like “don’t anchor what you can’t afford to defend”. Those are just completely stupid, as showed by applying that rule to themselves. “can’t defend” is completely BS term, means nothing and can’t mean anything serious. Yet people seem to love stupid sayings that seem so deep that they are full of sh¡t. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/260 "2020-03-14T23:00:20Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And still people can kill it because it’s how Eve is And? I defend my ship by making that as hard as possible to achieve, through a variety of mechanisms including but not limited to the choices that I make. I don’t fly bling, I don’t fly afk, I don’t stuff my ships to the gunwales with isk and I don’t honour tank. Obviously if someone is absolutely determined to kill me then the chances are that they will succeed, I just do my best to minimise those chances and roll with the punches if they land. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/261 "2020-03-14T23:01:42Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I defend my ship by making that as hard as possible to achieve, through a variety of mechanisms including but not limited to the choices that I make. And still you can’t prevent it from being destroyed, therefore you can’t defend it. Just because it did not happen yet, does not mean it won’t happen, and in eve “you are only safe in an NPC station” so you should never board your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/262 "2020-03-14T23:01:49Z")
Yeah, but at the same time, its a language thing. You have a need for accuracy that native english speakers dont. I accept that you dont like it, and its not a good thing that understanding is messed up like this, but sadly its hows its gotta be, sug If God wanted us to get along, he’d not have destroyed Babel and mixed us all up into languages. Like, you are saying defend, as in a result. He is saying defend, as an action to attempt to avoid destructiuon. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/263 "2020-03-14T23:05:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yeah, but at the same time, its a language thing. You have a need for accuracy that native english speakers dont. IIRC @Anderson_Geten’s experience of English is in the halls of academia, which is very different from the English that you and I use. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=14)