# War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763 "2020-03-14T13:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/41 "2020-03-14T14:20:40Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Sounds like a rubbish opinion to me Sounds like the truth to me. If youve got any actual arguments, present them. If not, well, then, 2bad4u. Wardec it is. The fact of the matter is, If you own a structure, you are no longer considered a new, small corp. If you want a structure, then you have to pay the price. If you cant afford the price, you shouldnt own a structure. Dont fly or anchor what you cant afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/42 "2020-03-14T14:21:54Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > It’s > > I havent made any arguments? > > Im literally asking questions to work out why you think you are at a disadvantage here? > **[EVE Online's Constant Wars Are Driving Away New Players](https://kotaku.com/eve-onlines-constant-wars-are-driving-away-new-players-1830096314)** > > EVE Online is a game that thrives on war. Players love to clash with each other, attempt to wrest control of territory from one another, and expand their influence in the game’s universe. These wars fuel the spectacle that surrounds EVE, drawing all... ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/5/e5f0b1f02a4a365133b238c8424d86912066e8c2.jpeg) _CCP employee CCP Larrikin, a data scientist working on EVE Online, disclosed a shocking piece of data to the CSM regarding player-run corporations that find themselves as the target of a war. These corporations show a massive decline in player activity almost immediately, that does not regenerate once the war is finished._ The issue that was occuring before has not gone away. The merc groups merged into the mega hisec wardec coalition and continue as they did before. 1655 wars already in 2020 so far. They pick on smaller corps who either don’t want to fight or don’t stand a chance against their much greater numbers, vastly superior wealth and tactics and knowlege. Who do you think such fights are fun for? I’m sure the mega hisec wardec coalition is having a blast. Everyone loves to be the winner. Wonder how their victims feel though. Oh yeah, we know how they feel. CCP Larrikin told us. Many of them quit the game. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/43 "2020-03-14T14:23:27Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Not for everyone else. Not everyone feels about decs as you do. They are a necessary part of the sandbox. > [@Namtis](#): > > If it’s just some new players with low value items they may decide not to declare war on that corp and then this system has done it’s job. That’s the thing it’s **not** just new players. It’s structures. It’s vets. It’s bling fit battleships. It’s mining fleets. Making wardecs as weak as they are has had detrimental effects on the game and it’s economy and the part of wardecs that no one likes, big unkillable groups stomping, continues as normal. Nerfing decs was a terrible idea and so is this one. It just makes things works. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/44 "2020-03-14T14:24:02Z")
Repeating the same post again like a broken record isn’t going to make it any more legit. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/45 "2020-03-14T14:24:13Z")
Ok if you have been decced and thats the reason for this, you should do the honest thing and admit it. Otherwise, it is you my friend who appear to be trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/46 "2020-03-14T14:24:25Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > Not for everyone else. > > Not everyone feels about decs as you do. > > They are a necessary part of the sandbox. > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > If it’s just some new players with low value items they may decide not to declare war on that corp and then this system has done it’s job. > > That’s the thing it’s **not** just new players. > > It’s structures. It’s vets. It’s bling fit battleships. It’s mining fleets. > > Making wardecs as weak as they are has had detrimental effects on the game and it’s economy and the part of wardecs that no one likes, big unkillable groups stomping, continues as normal. > > Nerfing decs was a terrible idea and so is this one. It just makes things works. You don’t say? Necessary part of the sandbox? I’m not making the case to remove war decs from the game. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/47 "2020-03-14T14:24:41Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > The issue that was occuring before has not gone away. Of course it did. Now, the only wardec eligible corps are those that have structures. > [@Namtis](#): > > Who do you think such fights are fun for? I’m sure the mega hisec wardec coalition is having a blast. Everyone loves to be the winner. Wonder how their victims feel though. Let me ask you a question. What are your thoughts on someone hauling 100 billion isk worth of Plex in a shuttle, and auto-piloting it through hisec, and getting ganked? ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/48 "2020-03-14T14:26:47Z")
Structures are cheap, and easily accessible to new players. Are you telling me that only advanced players use structures? I’m not accepting that argument so don’t even bother. Oh so we’re comparing making it more costly for mercs to issue mass wardecs to a hypothetical idiot hauling 100 billion isk in a shuttle through hisec now? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/49 "2020-03-14T14:27:41Z")
You do realise that article is being less than honest right? > [@Namtis](#): > > I’m not making the case to remove war decs from the game. But you are asking for another nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/50 "2020-03-14T14:28:29Z")
A nerf which you yourself have just said would not stop war decs. So what’s the problem? It won’t stop them. But it will reduce the number of war decs by mega hisec war dec coalitions on low value corps - low value ecause they are smaller or made of newer players and not worth a billion isk fee. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/51 "2020-03-14T14:29:25Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > So what’s the problem? It would not stop the biggest wardec group. It makes it harder for their competition. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/52 "2020-03-14T14:30:08Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Structures are cheap, and easily accessible to new players. Are you telling me that only advanced players use structures? I’m not accepting that argument so don’t even bother. What? Youre not accepting arguments that utterly dismantle and destroy your narrative? Shocking. > [@Namtis](#): > > Oh so we’re comparing making it more costly for mercs to issue mass wardecs to a hypothetical idiot hauling 100 billion isk in a shuttle through hisec now? Yes, we are, because your argument is as stupid as that example. But let me quote what you said, as a great counter to what you wrote. > [@Namtis](#): > > Wonder how their victims feel though. > > Oh yeah, we know how they feel. CCP told us. Many of them quit the game. Yes, I wonder how the victim of a Gank, feels. And yet, its their fault, isnt it? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/53 "2020-03-14T14:31:31Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Those groups have since merged, and now continue as they were before. Wardecs and systems associated with then have been nerfed over and over again, yet there never was the effect CCP or the carebear community predicted. Why should it be different for yet another nerf? They merged because cost became an issue and your idea will just reinforce that. If you want to actually get rid of big wardec corps we need to go the opposite way and make the wardecs cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/54 "2020-03-14T14:32:08Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > A nerf which you yourself have just said would not stop war decs. So what’s the problem? Its a never ending cycle. Thats the problem. Wardecs were already nerfed. What if the wardeccing corp just changes into 10 different corps and does the same thing? Whos to say that you wont be right back here asking for one more nerf™? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/55 "2020-03-14T14:32:17Z")
Also, 4% wars with kill. Your citation not mine. So 96% without Your position is that wars cause players to leave _even though in the vast majority of cases within the wars of this coalition dont result in destruction of ships/pods_. So fear of interaction makes people leave? Good. ■■■■■■■ great. More pls ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/56 "2020-03-14T14:32:33Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > So what’s the problem? > > It would not stop the biggest wardec group. > > It makes it harder for their competition. It will impede on the biggest war dec group to attack targets they should not be attacking. Low value corps made up of players who arn’t worth a billion isk war dec fee. It will therefore reduce the number of war decs by mega hisec war dec coalitions on low value corps - low value because they are smaller or made of newer players and not worth a billion isk fee. It even opens up a method to combat the biggest war dec group. If they will be careless with dishing out many war decs, they end up being the isk loser if they are willling to pay a billion isk fee to attack a low value corp. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/57 "2020-03-14T14:34:36Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > It will impede on the biggest war dec group to attack targets they should not be attacking. Low value corps made up of players who arn’t worth a billion isk war dec fee. And what if they break off into smaller groups to avoid this? Your argument only delays the inevitable, and will result in you coming back here, complaining how Wardecs are unfair and they should only be eligible against corporations with more than 1000 players, because woe is me, my corp has 20 people and we were stupid enough to want to own a citadel but dont want to defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/58 "2020-03-14T14:35:29Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > It even opens up a method to combat the biggest war dec group. If they will be careless with dishing out many war decs, they end up being the isk loser if they are willling to pay a billion isk fee to attack a low value corp. There is already a method to combat the wardec group. You can join the defenders any time you want, to combat them. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/59 "2020-03-14T14:35:31Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > It will impede on the biggest war dec group to attack targets they should not be attacking. Should not be attacking? What do you mean by that? Anyone with a structure should be attacked. Why don’t you say what this thread is really about. You want to be able to use structures without getting decced… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/60 "2020-03-14T14:36:04Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Why don’t you say what this thread is really about. You want to be able to use structures without getting decced… You notice he is posting with a 5 day alt. He knows, that if he posts with his main, he will just get bombarded with wardecs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=4)