# War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763 "2020-03-14T13:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/84 "2020-03-14T16:03:15Z")
Why won’t it? If hisec wardec mega alliance has to pay a billion isk to war dec small corps of low isk players who are barely worth their time they may reconsider choosing such a corp as a target for a price tag of a billion isk. I bet they will reconsider. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/85 "2020-03-14T16:04:41Z")
But the corp size or age of the enemy doesnt affect the price at all. 1 bill is nothing because you easily make that back in Structure kills ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/86 "2020-03-14T16:27:10Z")
Ramona, what was it you posted earlier? That many of the wars don’t result in any destruction? Interesting that. Because according to that article, the data scientist said that once wars started, people simply stopped logging in. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/87 "2020-03-14T16:29:45Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Here’s another thing for people who think 20 man corps shouldn’t be allowed to have structures in hisec since they can’t defend against mega wardec hisec alliances. People like Solonius Rex. Oh my. Namedrop. Atleast use the @. > [@Namtis](#): > > The mega hisec war alliance doesn’t even care about killing that structure generally. Because that works against their interests. They care about more targets. So they’ll war dec the 20 man corp so they can freely kill their members and won’t touch the structure. Sometimes they do, for a reason, but not usually. Sure. Because of the NERF to wardecs, where you can ONLY target corps with structures, the number of corps that are eligible for wardecs has SHRUNK. > [@Namtis](#): > > The system that says the corp should be able to fight back by killing the attackers war HQ is entirely broken. The average small corp can’t fight back against a 500 man alliance of seasoned pvpers. Then they should pay off the attackers or hire someone else. There are many Wormhole groups and other merc groups that will help defend. Any corp, big or small, can hire other players. There are no game mechanics that prevent this from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/88 "2020-03-14T16:30:17Z")
Except to be at war, they would have to have a structure. So the structure wasnt even destroyed. Ask yourself why people dont log in when its ridiculously easy to avoid a war target? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/89 "2020-03-14T16:30:39Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > It is only asked that it is made not cost effective for the mercs to continue targeting the weakest players, who are not worth a billion isk war dec fee. The weakest players do not have structures. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/90 "2020-03-14T16:42:46Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Except to be at war, they would have to have a structure. > > So the structure wasnt even destroyed. > > Ask yourself why people dont log in when its ridiculously easy to avoid a war target? We’ve gone over this already. They don’t have 100+ active war dec because they plan to kill 100 structures. They don’t attack many structures. It’s the players they are after, as targets. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/91 "2020-03-14T16:46:16Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > . They don’t have 100+ active war dec because they plan to kill 100 structures. They don’t attack many structures. It’s the players they are after, as targets. Players with structures, and your idea just gives them a reason to destroy those structures; to pay for increased fees. Again; why, if decs are easy to avoid, do people stop logging in? ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/92 "2020-03-14T16:48:40Z")
That doesn’t even make sense. They are not going to earn back billion isk fees from killing some noob corps athanor. Nor are they are going to waste their time sieging 100 noob structures every week. Wars are avoidable by leaving your corp. Maybe a lot of people don’t like that and rather quit. How should I know exactly why they quit over it. All we know is that we are told they do. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/93 "2020-03-14T16:49:25Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > That doesn’t even make sense. They are not going to earn back billion isk fees from killing some noob corps athanor. Nor are they are going to waste their time sieging 100 noob structures every week. Maybe thats because its not about the money for them? Its about killing and destroying ships? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/94 "2020-03-14T16:50:38Z")
Uh yes they are if you make them need to recoup funds? Also you assume that a billion isnt change to them And why do you keep avoiding the second question ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/95 "2020-03-14T16:51:33Z")
I haven’t avoided it at all. It is answered. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/96 "2020-03-14T16:53:05Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > That doesn’t even make sense. They are not going to earn back billion isk fees from killing some noob corps athanor. Nor are they are going to waste their time sieging 100 noob structures every week. > > Maybe thats because its not about the money for them? Its about killing and destroying ships? Ah. So they all merged together in response to the changes for nothing then. I see. They care about isk, just not enough to siege 100 noob structures per week, every week, to get back some of their war fees. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/97 "2020-03-14T16:54:47Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Ah. So they all merged together in response to the changes for nothing then. I see. They care about isk, just not enough to siege 100 noob structures per week, every week, to get back some of their war fees. Just because they did something that made it easier for them, doesnt mean it used to be hard before. Do you understand what i wrote? ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/98 "2020-03-14T16:55:38Z")
It would also be counter productive to their goal of mass killing of targets who they’ve generally massively stacked the odds against, if they killed all their war target structures. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/99 "2020-03-14T17:03:59Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Wars are avoidable by leaving your corp. Maybe a lot of people don’t like that and rather quit. How should I know exactly why they quit over it. All we know is that we are told they do. They avoidable even more easily than that, and any new player corp worth a damn will explain that. They quit because they either they dont want interaction, dont want to strategise their way out of it, or are grossly misinformed about war avoidance. Im in a noob-friendly coalition with WH holdings. We have numerous HS structures held by numerous HS corps. We havent received a wardec in ages (which Ive now jinxed but hey ho thems the breaks) and our new players are secure because we inform them correctly. Is this really less desirable than begging CCP to change the game? Also, fuelled structures get decced less. My person feeling is that unfuelled structures should be easier to war on, but thats only my own feeling, and not backed up with anything. ---
**Author:** ![Monstah\_Khaos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monstah_khaos/32/190565_2.png) [@Monstah\_Khaos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monstah_Khaos)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/100 "2020-03-14T17:05:20Z")
Is why I left back in 2016-17. Returned to game back then and within a week had been war decd so many times I couldn’t mine, mission run, etc. I ate the cost of my sub and never looked back… To me, it destroyed the enjoyment of the game. EVE: The griefer’s paradise… will always remember someone telling me that when I started back in 2008 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/101 "2020-03-14T17:07:55Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > It would also be counter productive to their goal of mass killing of targets who they’ve generally massively stacked the odds against, if they killed all their war target structures. Sure, thats probably part of it, too. But you have to remember, these people wardec nullsec coalitions, too, like Goonswarm and PL. If Goonswarm came into hisec and wanted to fight back, these wardec corps wouldnt stand a chance. They would have to be docked up, for as long as Goonswarm wanted them to. Its always up to the people being wardecced. All in all, the odds are never stacked against you, if you dont want it to, and if you put in effort. Most corps dont, so they stay docked. Take a look at @Sabus_Narian for example. He was the head of a THOUSAND MAN CORPORATION. Clearly, this wasnt a small corporation. When his corp was wardecced, what did he do? ![war](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/2/e2e716a1cde6f33b9be8db166cf1b6d95565e176.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/102 "2020-03-14T17:08:26Z")
> [@Monstah\_Khaos](#): > > Is why I left back in 2016-17. Returned to game back then and within a week had been war decd so many times I couldn’t mine, mission run, etc. I ate the cost of my sub and never looked back… To me, it destroyed the enjoyment of the game. EVE: The griefer’s paradise… will always remember someone telling me that when I started back in 2008 or so. According to CCP, there are many who appear to feel as you. But this doesn’t fit with Ramona’s narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/103 "2020-03-14T17:09:19Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > We havent received a wardec in ages (which Ive now jinxed but hey ho thems the breaks) and our new players are secure because we inform them correctly. I will defend you, my liege. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=6)