# War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763 "2020-03-14T13:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/144 "2020-03-14T19:57:23Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > The mercs were able to continue as they were by forming one mega merc bloc > > They adapted to change, it seems that you can’t even if the change is grossly in your favour. Of course they used what they could to continue with what they were doing before. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/145 "2020-03-14T20:04:12Z")
When a Corp anchors a structure, if they do it at a safe, not on grid with anything else, and don’t provide public access to it, it isn’t going to show in overview. For the most part, anonymity gives it protection. PIRAT would need to actively look for it to find it in the first place. So either your corp pissed them off so they did go looking for it, or you have it setup so it’s in their face and an easy target. Neither of those conditions are PIRAT’s fault. Otherwise, you have in corp haulers flying to trade hubs or blingy missions runners, etc. in eligible corps operating in the same places PIRAT operate, so that they dec you because you are war eligible, and not for your structures. Move the haulers out to non-eligible corps and it’s easy these days not to even be war eligible at all. Have the structures in a holding corp and use access lists, then put everyone else in a separate non-eligible corp. You’ll have near complete war protection, even for your structures, but definitely for the members. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/146 "2020-03-14T20:15:49Z")
See, I just always thought that The Game in EvE wasnt markets, or pvp or mining vs evil tritanium, but a series of puzzles that varied in complexity from simple (How do I make 1m Isk) to Insanely Hard (Founding a multi thousand player Alliance). Using the tools in the game, the thoughts in my brain and a little bit of McCandless Magic, anything is possible, just figuring out how is the playing of it. For me, protecting what Ive accumulated, whether it be ships, stations, isk, or even friends and allies from those who have greater force, resource or grey matter than me is a continous puzzle I love to work out as I go along. But the puzzle could be anything, mining in Null when you arent in any organisations welcome in the area, WH diving, transporting Billions securely, setting up a POS in Delve just long enough to give a Bee a finger as you safely extract it again, or just collecting vanity items and hats. Thats what I think makes EvE great. Dealing with a Wardec is simply one of those puzzles. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/147 "2020-03-14T20:20:00Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > When a Corp anchors a structure, if they do it at a safe, not on grid with anything else, and don’t provide public access to it, it isn’t going to show in overview. > > For the most part, anonymity gives it protection. PIRAT would need to actively look for it to find it in the first place. > > So either your corp pissed them off so they did go looking for it, or you have it setup so it’s in their face and an easy target. > > Neither of those conditions are PIRAT’s fault, but most Corps. > > Otherwise, you have in corp haulers flying to trade hubs or blingy missions runners, etc. in eligible corps, so that they dec you because you are war eligible, and not for your structures. That’s never been a good idea. Move the haulers out to non-eligible corps and for everyone else, it’s easy these days not to even be war eligible at all. Completely misses the point of the thread and clearly did not read. Pirat does not usually war dec for structure bashing. It’s only to get targets to kill most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/148 "2020-03-14T20:22:15Z")
> [@Algathas](#): > > If a single player or small corp puts up a structure and can’t defend it or their corp that’s their own stupidity. They don’t have to put up a structure they choose to. Structures are not noob assets. Thats completely stupid. Since almost all allyance lost structure, that means according to you that everybody is stupid and should not put up a structure. The amount of stupidity … > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Sounds like the truth to me. > > If youve got any actual arguments, present them. It’s the opposite : until you brought argument, your claim is rubbish. Because the definition of “small corp” as being “a corp that does not own a structure” is nowhere to be found. > [@Namtis](#): > > It should cost 10m additional isk for each extra war you declare. This means if you want to declare 100 wars you’ll be paying 1.1 billion isk per war at that point. That’s not possible. There is an important part for wars : they must be possible. If you want to be the only one with structures in a system, it must be doable, at a price. Which means, if it’s possible for the defender to create 50 holder corporations, it must be possible for the attacker to attack them all. ATM the price is fixed : to destroy a structure, you need to pay X in bribes. If the price increased with each wardecs, it would not be possible. Now you still can fight against those people that are wardeccing : just go away from Jita/Amarr. Don’t ever give money to their bosses, that is TTT owner&co . Fight with your brain, not with your tears. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/149 "2020-03-14T20:22:25Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Completely misses the point of the thread and clearly did not read. Pirat does not usually war dec for structure bashing. It’s only to get targets to kill most of the time. You didn’t read the last paragraph clearly. And early on you were very much bleating on about new player corps and access to toys, and all of the post is relevant to that - being decced because you have war eligible members flying where PIRAT play, or you have structures easily found and in their face. Don’t do those things. You can’t get better than complete war immunity and it’s easy to do. Then you don’t even need to worry at all about wars for anyone in the corp. It’s as simple as this, and even if wars were only 1 ISK, your members would still never have to worry about them: ![wars](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/c/5c90ed4c085d73368673a1762066a2d4461a1306.png) Making wars more expensive isn’t the answer. Just sort your corp structure out so your members are immune. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/150 "2020-03-14T20:24:01Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Fight with your brain, not with your tears. I genuinely love this line ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/151 "2020-03-14T20:31:03Z")
Why do new players and noob player corps need structures in high sec? There is only one thing you can do at a player-owned citadel that can’t be done at an NPC station, which is compress ore. Compression of ore can be done at any other player citadel with refining capability that is public. Simply take your ore and compress it at one of those other player-owned citadels for free. You can research/copy blueprints at an NPC station, you can manufacture at an NPC station, you can invent at an NPC station, and you can refine at an NPC station. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/152 "2020-03-14T20:43:08Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Why do new players and noob player corps need structures in high sec? Why do they need to play the game ? > [@QuakeGod](#): > > There is only one thing you can do at a player-owned citadel that can’t be done at an NPC station, which is compress ore. No, you can also have much less expensive corporation structure, free repair, and the services you want (which is not the case eg in system that don’t have a station) > [@QuakeGod](#): > > Simply take your ore and compress it at one of those other player-owned citadels for free. Which is not present everywhere, far from it. And so requires to move uncompressed ore… to reduce the price of moving it ? > [@QuakeGod](#): > > You can research/copy blueprints at an NPC station, you can manufacture at an NPC station, you can invent at an NPC station, and you can refine at an NPC station. Except that industry production takes more time, same for research, costs more, is not present every where and actually very far from that (like 15% of the systems in HS have a laboratory station, 50% have a factory, 10% have both) Ho and yes, of course there is the refinery that is 30% in some stations. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/153 "2020-03-14T20:48:32Z")
That’s why smart players that want to be immune to war decs find all of those services in the same system BEFORE they commit to creating a corp. There are plenty of systems that have industry, research, cloning, and 50% base refine. They may not all be at the same station in that system, but between the various stations in that system you have all of the services. I’m sure most of the complaints about being war decced because of owning a structure come from the owners of small player corps that fielded an Athanor, which comes with it’s own unique set of problems aside from war decs. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/154 "2020-03-14T20:54:41Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > That’s why smart players that want to be immune to war decs find all of those services in the same system BEFORE they commit to creating a corp. There are plenty of systems that have industry, research, cloning, and 50% base refine. As I said, less than 10%. that’s not “plenty”. So “smart” player check before they talk on the forum, claiming BS. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > They may not all be at the same station in that system, but between the various stations in that system you have all of the services. again : less than 10% of the systems have have TWO services. Just, no. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/155 "2020-03-14T21:01:37Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Just an end to blanket decs by alliances of 500 pvpers who spend much of their time preying on hisec players whom they’ve massively stacked the odds against. A balance can be reached. But that’s the thing though. If we agree, and CCP adds a 10 mill fee on any additional wardec, what happens if nothing changes? Are you going to ask for an additional 10 mill? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/156 "2020-03-14T21:02:15Z")
10 million ISK per war would do nothing to deter them anyway. That’s pocket change to these merc corps. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/157 "2020-03-14T21:04:28Z")
> [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](#): > > you it should be easy but you allways have some stupid guy … i dont know why they dont learn but YES its very easy to dont feed them kills but its just sucks to go to tradehubs with NPC corps alts … Omg do I have a story to tell you. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/158 "2020-03-14T21:04:48Z")
I found such systems, so can they. It’s not that hard to do… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/159 "2020-03-14T21:07:57Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > 10 million ISK per war would do nothing to deter them anyway. That’s pocket change to these merc corps. PIRAT have 134 active wars now at 100mill per week each, for 13.4 Billion this week for their war cost. The proposal of the OP would take that cost to 102.5 Billion this week. That compounding 10 mill adds up and that would have an impact, but be such a huge nerf that isn’t needed at all. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/160 "2020-03-14T21:09:00Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I found such systems, so can they. It’s not that hard to do… BS. Just becaue you happened to find one does not mean that there is one decent available to anybody. BTW `labor=198 facto=629 repro=973 clonin=621 fact+lab=183 fourservices=151 total=1212` I was wrong, 13% of all HS systems have the fours services - not saying the reproc level. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/161 "2020-03-14T21:09:18Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Wars need to be cheaper against bigger targets and more expensive against smaller. Huge groups need to be vulnerable to them and not protected from them by a big cost barrier. Small corps should be protected by that barrier so that attackers need to have a clear goal to invest the 500M ISK to attack a 3 chars strong corp. This will just incentivize hisec corps to splinter into 2 or 3 smaller corps. Do you know what happens? You get less interaction because corpmates are no longer corpmates and you dont have as many players communicating anymore. What good would this change do, other than incentivize multiple small corps? ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/162 "2020-03-14T21:10:51Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > Just an end to blanket decs by alliances of 500 pvpers who spend much of their time preying on hisec players whom they’ve massively stacked the odds against. A balance can be reached. > > But that’s the thing though. > > If we agree, and CCP adds a 10 mill fee on any additional wardec, what happens if nothing changes? Are you going to ask for an additional 10 mill? Two changes. The first one, +10m isk added to the cost for declaring war, per additional active war. Only wars it doesn’t count for this is wars that were decared directly against your corp. Wars you have joined as an ally will count for this fee. Second. Increase war dec fee to scale with number of players in your corp/alliance. The more players you have who will be able to fight in the war, the higher the fee should be. This will make it incredibly expensive to declare war for a 500 man alliance of mercs with several dozens of active war decs. They’ll still find it worth warring major alliances. But will it be worth them declaring war on many tiny corps at 2-3 bill per week per war dec? No, and they won’t pay it either. Not 2-3 bill to war dec a small corp. They’ll want to save their decs for targets that matter to keep their costs down. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/163 "2020-03-14T21:12:12Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > Second. Increase war dec fee to scale with number of players in your corp/alliance. The more players you have who will be able to fight in the war, the higher the fee should be. Then you also need to prevent wardeccing entities from accepting players, otherwise people wil just leave and join after the fee has been paid. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=9)