# War decs should cost 10m additional isk for each outgoing war **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 14, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763 "2020-03-14T13:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/164 "2020-03-14T21:12:21Z")
Sorry I may have missed something, but what stops the 500 man bloc splitting into 50 10 man blocs? ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/165 "2020-03-14T21:13:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > Second. Increase war dec fee to scale with number of players in your corp/alliance. The more players you have who will be able to fight in the war, the higher the fee should be. > > Then you also need to prevent wardeccing entities from accepting players, otherwise people wil just leave and join after the fee has been paid. There is already a one week delay on rejoining a corp you were previously in if you leave during a war. I don’t think there will be a problem here. If there is, they could make it two week delay. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/166 "2020-03-14T21:14:33Z")
Long story short, don’t deploy what you can’t defend. Most new players corps couldn’t even defend their structures against a 10-player Merc corp, much less a 500-player… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/167 "2020-03-14T21:14:37Z")
> [@Namtis](#): > > There is already a one week delay on rejoining a corp you were previously in if you leave during a war. I don’t think there will be a problem here. If there is, they could make it two week delay. Does not change a thing.If you have three alts, you can circle them in the corp to allow your corp to wardec whoever it wants with the same cost as if it had 1 player. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/168 "2020-03-14T21:15:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Sorry I may have missed something, but what stops the 500 man bloc splitting into 50 10 man blocs? Nothing. But they’ll need to issue 50 sets of war decs to achieve the same result as they had before. 50 lots of 100m is 5 bill plus per war, starting from 0 active wars. Not such a great idea for them. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/169 "2020-03-14T21:15:34Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It’s the opposite : until you brought argument, your claim is rubbish. > Because the definition of “small corp” as being “a corp that does not own a structure” is nowhere to be found. Yeah, no. I’m not the one who started this thread, complaining how big wardec corps are wardeccing small corps made of new, less experienced players. The claim of small corps being made up of less experienced players, was made by Namtis first, not me. I dont care if we consider them small corps or not, but if the argument is being made without any credible evidence to back it up, then the opposite should be stated as just as valid. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/170 "2020-03-14T21:15:57Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Long story short, don’t deploy what you can’t defend. BS. Just, complete BS. You don’t know if you can or not defend. People believed they could defend and were evicted. Before TTT it was hord that was racketing people in perimeter.They thought they could defend. History just says this point of view is complete garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/171 "2020-03-14T21:16:46Z")
They wouldnt need to spend the additional war fee to have 50 wars though, right? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/172 "2020-03-14T21:17:31Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > The claim of small corps being made up of less experienced players, was made by Namtis first, not me. actually it was : > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > If you own a structure, you are no longer a smaller corp. that was rubbish. And called as such here > [@Namtis](#): > > Sounds like a rubbish opinion to me. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/173 "2020-03-14T21:17:32Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > 10 million ISK per war would do nothing to deter them anyway. That’s pocket change to these merc corps Yup, and when this fails, he will be back with one more nerf™ ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/174 "2020-03-14T21:20:07Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > actually it was : Actually it was: > [@Namtis](#): > > They maraud single players and small corps with overwhelming force Notice the timestamps. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/175 "2020-03-14T21:20:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Sorry I may have missed something, but what stops the 500 man bloc splitting into 50 10 man blocs? At the moment, two things: 1. War HQ benefits larger groups for defence 2. Smaller individual groups can only shoot targets of their individual wars, not the targets of the other corps wars, so the content becomes distributed, rather than concentrated like it is now. At the moment, every member of PIRAT can shoot targets in 134 wars, giving them access to enough content. If that was split into 10 x 50 member corps and the wars split, then each corp has only 13 odd wars with targets. Most might not see any target all week, which would be pretty boring. If it was split into 50 x 10 member corps, they are down to just 2 wars each, without significantly increasing their overall war cost. I wish there was incentive for the smaller groups (eg. Break A Wish) to come back. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/176 "2020-03-14T21:21:18Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And called as such here I’m fine with my opinion being rubbish as long as Namtis admits and acknowledges that his argument up until now that involved this small corp rhetoric was rubbish too. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/177 "2020-03-14T21:22:38Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Smaller individual groups can only shoot targets of their individual wars, not the targets of the other corps wars, so the content becomes distributed, rather than concentrated like it is now. Cant they ally? And ok, didnt really think about the HQ. Still, 50 HQs all scattered would be good defense if the “Find the HQ” game was to be buffed in some way/make relevant/possible ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/178 "2020-03-14T21:23:01Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Cant they ally? Only defenders can call in allies I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/179 "2020-03-14T21:23:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Cant they ally? Only defenders have access to allies, not attackers. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/180 "2020-03-14T21:23:36Z")
Ah ok no worries. See, and now I know ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/181 "2020-03-14T21:27:12Z")
I’m just going to point out that the cost of a basic wardec is 2400% higher that it was in 2012, in short it has far outstripped any inflation or deflation and already represents a significant investment on the part of wardec groups running multiple wardecs. (It looks like my figures are a little out of date, according to Eve Uni the base cost is now 100M not the 50M I remember, which makes it a 4900% increase in cost since 2012; if someone will be so kind as to confirm this I would be grateful.) Not only that, but potential wardec targets have been significantly reduced to the point where corps essentially have to opt in to becoming a target. But hey ho, the wheels on the nerf bus go round and round. I doubt people will quit whining about them until wardecs are no longer possible due to crippling costs and game mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/182 "2020-03-14T21:28:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Still, 50 HQs all scattered would be good defense if the “Find the HQ” game was to be buffed in some way/make relevant/possible Since the most recent structure changes, fueled structures have an extra timer and low power structures go straight to final timer once reinforced. So if they wanted to maintain some defence for their HQ’s, then the 50 HQ compared to just a few, becomes a signfiicant fuel cost that they would need to account for too. The only way to avoid significant extra cost would be to just treat each HQ as a throw away item, which might be ok if the total number of wars each is really low. They might not be worth defending because the risk of losing wars isn’t that great for each one. ---
**Author:** ![Namtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namtis/32/191261_2.png) [@Namtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namtis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763/183 "2020-03-14T21:30:07Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Namtis](#): > > > > There is already a one week delay on rejoining a corp you were previously in if you leave during a war. I don’t think there will be a problem here. If there is, they could make it two week delay. > > Does not change a thing.If you have three alts, you can circle them in the corp to allow your corp to wardec whoever it wants with the same cost as if it had 1 player. I’m not sure that’s going to work very well. They’d have to cycle every one at the same time, issue all the decs they want, then issue no more decs for a week before repeating. Just seems hard for them to do well or efficiently. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-decs-should-cost-10m-additional-isk-for-each-outgoing-war/225763.md?page=10)