# War Journal: Triglavian Collective **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400 "2020-06-20T20:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Drxn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drxn/32/233727_2.png) [@Drxn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drxn)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/141 "2020-10-06T20:29:20Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > The kybernauts I’ve spoken to haven’t mostly been very clear on the why, but they were extremely clear on their dedication. When the Empire brands us Kybernauts, he doesn’t mean to make us adversaries. He doesn’t mean to make us criminals. He means to make us monsters. For that’s the only way his god-fearing, tax-paying subjects can make sense of men who keep what is theirs and fear no one. When I say there’s a war coming, I don’t mean with Edencom, I don’t mean with the Empire. Civilization is coming. And it means to exterminate us ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/142 "2020-10-06T22:07:28Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Don’t know if anybody’s tried, and I’m basically an invisible pair of flying eyeballs with a warp drive right now. We’ve driven away a fair number of them. You can’t get a lock on them, but they don’t seem to do much themselves besides bridge in reinforcements. You basically need to take out all the ships it summons from the Abyss until it decides to retreat back into the Abyss itself. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/143 "2020-10-06T22:27:51Z")
So, still working more or less the way they did last year. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/144 "2020-10-07T06:58:10Z")
> [@Drxn](#): > > When the Empire brands us Kybernauts Except… didn’t the _Trigs_ supply that term, and all you kybers leap to embrace it? _Huh_. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/145 "2020-10-07T11:47:03Z")
To point something out, to Ms. Tsukiyo regarding the predictions of gigadeaths. Those could still happen. Those predictions were made on the assumption that the thermal output of the star conforms to normal astronomical models, i.e. the dark appearance of the Raravoss star means its thermal output is the same as a normal astral body of that colour. Which would be much cooler and less radiant than a star. If the Triggies weird manipulations don’t affect the thermal output, them those modified stars no longer conform to the laws of physics, so the predictions of the planets freezing in a couple months may be wide of the mark. The darkness is still going to screw the ecology up immeasurably and destroy the agricultural production. So it’d be a slow gigadeath rather than a quick one. I don’t have any data on how the stars have been altered. I don’t know if any such data has been published by anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/146 "2020-10-07T12:18:32Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > If the Triggies weird manipulations don’t affect the thermal output, them those modified stars no longer conform to the laws of physics, so the predictions of the planets freezing in a couple months may be wide of the mark. Maybe I can help a little here: From the data gathered, there is multiple theory on what is happening but one constant is sure: the “classic” specter of energy frequency has dropped around 80%. So whatever the transmuter is doing, the ecosystem as they currently exists will see a radical change in the next few millennia. But, so far, the laws of physics are not broken. regarding the “how the stars has been altered”, you can read [this article](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-transmuter-effects-on-system-new-eden/270404/5), and if there is any data, remarks or ideas you want to discuss, you are more than welcome to do so. Something worth noting is that the data given by Aura when interacting with the planets has not drastically changed. While a drop of 80% luminosity would impact even the average T° within months. Which mean only two possibility, both raising a lot of questions: 1. either Aura is not up to date, but with the automation surrounding her, it can only mean that someone is upholding info on purpose 2. Aura IS up to date, and that mean the radiations level emitted by the sun and absorbed by the planet have not changed enough for it being visible. If it’s the second, that could mean a long term risk for increased cancers. That would actually explain the “bio adaptation” offered to those still there… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/147 "2020-10-07T14:41:21Z")
I’m’a go for: 3. Whoever coded Aura done ■■■■■■ up. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/152 "2020-10-09T14:16:42Z")
So, ah, pilots? … ah … It looks like the gates are maybe pulsing. Sort of slowly? Interval of 12 seconds right now, reportedly. 15 seconds yesterday. This is, like, all throughout high and lowsec, apparently. And there’s a sort of … reddish? … quality to the pulse, apparently? I’ve been seeing it in Kuharah-- I think. It’s a little hard to be sure with how reddish everything is from Final Liminality to begin with, but I’m pretty sure I did see it. Be safe out there, pilots. At least for a while, this seems like it’s only going to get worse. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/153 "2020-10-09T14:58:37Z")
Okay, so, here’s a thing. > **[Gyazo](https://gyazo.com/a59d1c12abbe4b82fe113d1b07b0a9e9)** > **[Gyazo](https://gyazo.com/5d6aeaded754c2d8cdbc614da3186cf3)** (Credit: Umbre Fallenstar) As you can see, not only do the gates themselves seem to be “flickering,” their surroundings are as well-- including distant nebulas in the background. This can’t be just something staying politely inside the gate. There’s some kind of filtering effect coming into being intermittently near the gates. I hope it’s coincidence that it reminds me of Triglavian “weather.” ---
**Author:** ![Alexandre\_Arthie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexandre_arthie/32/379447_2.png) [@Alexandre\_Arthie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexandre_Arthie)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/154 "2020-10-09T15:15:02Z")
4 messages have been removed for referencing prohibited content. Thank you, > **~Alexandre Arthie** > > Alexandre Arthie, > Directive Enforcement Department > CONCORD Assembly ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/155 "2020-10-09T15:32:45Z")
New development. Or, rather, better perspective on the last one. It seems while we were focused on looking at the gates up close, the phenomenon is best seen by backing off a bit. > **[Gyazo](https://gyazo.com/09faf72ba52bf413efbd3f2453c803b0)** (Credit: Umbre Fallenstar) The “flicker” is an effect centered on the gate and extending outward around 30 km. (Credit @Karynn_Denton) Just a quick reminder: stargates are a wormhole-based technology. They kind of mess with spacetime by nature, so this? This is … Yeah, that’s not completely horrifying. ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/156 "2020-10-09T16:43:14Z")
Only stargates (HS, LS, NS) are apparently affected. WH, acceleration stargates, spatial rifts and other spatial phenomenon are not. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/0/d0e70e0c3f535a6381f01a4101da1986ec5d671d.jpeg "The Scope - Growing Fears Over Stargates") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1TNKqzSaA) ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/159 "2020-10-11T14:45:26Z")
blessed 03YC120 ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/160 "2020-10-11T23:09:21Z")
So at least initially it looks like wormholes and jump drives will be the easiest ways in and out. It’s going to get a little interesting if the Triglavians start linking these systems up to each other. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/161 "2020-10-11T23:36:53Z")
Have we seen any indications of jump drives or cynosural beacons functioning in liminal systems formerly designated as 0.5 security rating or higher? ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/162 "2020-10-11T23:46:18Z")
I don’t have the means to test it. On a personal note, if my MER theory is correct and things stay as they are, it’s possible it can simply not be that easy. ---
**Author:** ![Gale\_Kautsuo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gale_kautsuo/32/232453_2.png) [@Gale\_Kautsuo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gale_Kautsuo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/163 "2020-10-12T00:12:14Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > So at least initially it looks like wormholes and jump drives will be the easiest ways in and out. I will confess, as someone whose ship sensors used to render holes that have had a significant amount of mass travel through them as ragged breathing, it’s still a shock to pass through a hole into a final liminality system and see nothing but the dark purple haze. I’ve seen some creepy things in the depths of Anoikis, and that is definitely up there. Perhaps it’s creepier knowing it’s New Eden instead. That said, we instantly know that that system is a metaphorical one way street: we can easily leave the system, there’s no interdiction bubbles to stop us from warping directly to the gate, but returning home via that system is a whole different matter. On that note, I have not seen any Triglavian ships actually near wormholes, whether it be a liminality system or a minor victory system. Curious, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/164 "2020-10-12T11:09:09Z")
Gate pulse down to 6 second interval… ((not sure the background change is RP since it’s a web-site wide change)) ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/165 "2020-10-12T11:10:54Z")
The Galnet interface also changed. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400/166 "2020-10-12T12:48:58Z")
I’m counting about a five-second cycle from start-of-flicker to start-of-next-flicker. If you count just the space in between flickers it’s more like 2.5. > [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > The Galnet interface also changed. Yeah, hacking’s always been probably the single area where they’ve outclassed us most clearly. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-journal-triglavian-collective/250400.md?page=9)