# War On Corona Virus! **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [March 12, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469 "2020-03-12T22:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/104 "2020-03-31T04:28:00Z")
They don’t pay me enough. The programs to pay others and be more social with them is their own choice. If I don’t get scientific evidence of how they do it, I can’t protect myself from their actions. - > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Guaifenesin belongs to a class of drugs known as expectorants. It works by thinning and loosening mucus in the airways, clearing congestion, and making breathing easier. Getting rid of excess mucus could help reduce the chance of infection While this may help some cases, the problem of the lungs tissues being damaged by the virus and causing them to be unable to function due to defect won’t be solved. - I got an offer from someone to make 10 billion with $100,000. Needless to say, enough money is enough to make money. Not enough is not something you can do anything about. Whatever you do, it won’t be enough until others give you enough which they should have. ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/105 "2020-03-31T06:12:07Z")
I found this interesting video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs) ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/106 "2020-03-31T08:18:04Z")
> **[Mortality rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate)** > > Mortality rate, or death rate,:189,69 is a measure of the number of deaths (in general, or due to a specific cause) in a particular population, scaled to the size of that population, per unit of time. Mortality rate is typically expressed in units of deaths per 1,000 individuals per year; thus, a mortality rate of 9.5 (out of 1,000) in a population of 1,000 would mean 9.5 deaths per year in that entire population, or 0.95% out of the total. It is distinct from "morbidity", which is either the An... World Population (2020 and historical) | Year (July 1) | **Population** | Median Age | | --- | --- | --- | | **2020** | 7,794,798,739 | 30.9 | Therefore, at a normal mortality rate of 7.7 % , the most normal deaths from COVID would be 600,199,502.903, or , 600 million people, and 199 thousands, and 502 people. And almost one more. He must have been close. Except the rate is not 7.7 % , but 10 times less. So, 0.77%, or, 7.7 people per 1,000 per years. In the US, that rate is 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population or, 0.8638%. > **[FastStats](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)** > > FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips. So, ten times less than 600 million is 60 million. - # Simulating an epidemic 2,237,703 views • _Mar 27, 2020_ [3Blue1Brown](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw) 2.67M subscribers - However , at that rate, after 10 years, it would be 60 x 10 = the previous data. Note, if the population multiplies positively, that number will increase directly related. Also note that, if the population multiplies negatively, and is not divided by war, that number will decrease, directly related. So, if every 2 couples get 1 child per couple, and the other couple gets 2, that population multiplication will be negative, and population will decrease by a quarter. So, 7.7 billion x 0.75 = 5.775 billion. Minus - 0.77% = 5.736,307,5 billion left, after birth, including normal death rate. - So, those numbers again are not accurate, because the birth rate is not calculated per year, compared to the normal yearly death rate. The normal global birth rate is: 18.5 **births** , per 1,000 people. although the birth rate in China is only : 161 [CHINA](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html) 12.30 , 2017 EST. And , the USA 158 [UNITED STATES](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html) 12.50 , 2017 EST. So, at a 12.4 birth rate per year, times 0.75% = 9.3. 9.3 per 1,000 = 0.93%. 7.7 billion + 9.3% = + 71.61 million, or, 0.07161 billion + 7.7 = 7.771,61 billion Minus the 0.77% death rate of 7.771,61 billion = 7.719,540,213 billion, still increasing, even at 75% of the average birth rate. - He’s attempting to disrupt your intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/107 "2020-03-31T17:29:56Z")
> **[Coronavirus map of the US: latest cases state by state](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/mar/31/coronavirus-map-us-latest-cases-state-by-state)** > > There are now more than 164,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the United States Had an increase of 15 dead today. No new reports of infections though. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/108 "2020-03-31T18:49:45Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Had an increase of 15 dead today. > > No new reports of infections though. Do you mean in the US or somewhere more specific? It seems that 164,000 cases is around 30,000 more overnight. (Compared to rely on reports rather than on facts, whether those reports facts are not reflective of the facts, except for the facts that the person paying for the report wants the reports to provide results, and doesn’t care about the facts.) - At 7.7 deaths per 1,000 people of normal deaths, it would take 129.87 years for the last person to die. That is without couples getting 1 child, and each other couples getting 2, which keeps the population equal, except for the other half of couples, which diminishes it by half, making it an average of 75%, over a period of fertility of around 30 years. - [https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201](https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201) Coronavirus: US confirmed cases now double that of China The total number of global cases has passed 800,000, including more than 40,000 fatalities. Over 170,000 patients are reported to have recovered. Get the latest updates from around the world: 🇺🇸 US reports over 175,000 cases 🇨🇳 China set to release data on cases with no symptoms 🇮🇹 Italy mourns its dead with a minute’s silence 🇪🇹 Ethiopia postpones August elections indefinitely 🇮🇷 Iran passes 2,800 deaths > **[US could see millions of coronavirus cases and 100,000 or more deaths, Fauci...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics/coronavirus-deaths-cases-anthony-fauci-cnntv/index.html)** > > The nation’s top infectious disease expert predicted Sunday that the US will eventually see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from the novel coronavirus, which has already claimed more than 2,000 American lives. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/109 "2020-03-31T20:33:32Z")
At 1:00 the video shows the protein shell of the virus dissolving at it enters the cell’s outer layer. When the new virus is made it passes back out the same way that it entered the virus but does not shed its protein shell. If a way can be discovered to layer the outside of the cell with the same material that is on the inside of the cell, perhaps the virus can be tricked into thinking that it is passing through the inside of cell to the outside and would therefore not shed its protein shell. The virus would pass through the cell and then out the other side of the cell without releasing the RNA inside of it. Viruses are actually very intelligent ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/110 "2020-03-31T22:02:04Z")
> [@lilsteel](#): > > at a 12.4 birth rate per year, 12.4 per year = 24.8 per 2 years, for 1,000 people. 124 per 10 years. 248 per 20 years. 496 per 40 years. 992 per 80 years. 1,984 per 120 years. Notice it lets you have children after 120 years, before everybody dies, however, it’s inaccurate. It’s also 2.0 not .75 or .666, if 2 couples of 3 have 1 child. (Yes, of 3 , as in, out of 3.) 2 child per couple, but population rises… 1 child per person, and , 2 child per person, equal 4 per couple , which doubles population. According to this calculation, my sister is an obstetrician, lies, and tries to make me stupid. Yes, and also tries to make it seem like she can’t help, even though she can more than help, and causes delays, and tries to make me seem as if causing delays . > **[Moral turpitude](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude)** > > Moral turpitude is a legal concept in the United States and until 1976 in Canada that refers to "an act or behavior that gravely violates the sentiment or accepted standard of the community". This term appears in U.S. immigration law beginning in the 19th century. Moral turpitude laws typically deal with legal, judicial, and business related transgressions. Moral turpitude laws should not be confused with laws regarding social morality, those are more commonly called under the names of publ The c... What constitute standard of community doesn’t mean it will be good for community. Standards should not be based only on votes but on moral virtues, and intent to coerce in vice is not a virtue. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/111 "2020-03-31T22:37:25Z")
ARS-CoV-2 is an exponential cyclic virus, meaning that it’s cycle of replication is an exponential that will constantly peak and never have the peak flattened. The reason being is that that there are six billion plus people on Earth. Not everyone will get treated for whatever reason. Those not getting treatment will help continue to spread the virus at an exponential and almost nearly infinite rate. Most of the 1st world nations would develop a vaccine. Third world countries would take longer to develop the vaccine or purchase the vaccine due not being able to afford the vaccine itself. Other factors involved with second and third world countries continuing to spread the virus would be that they would shun being inoculated and would rather fight and die than to understand. Basically the jungle class of the third world country existing in a first world country. As a result the SARS-CoV-2 virus will spread at an infinite and exponential rate across the Earth to eventually infect every single human on the planet. SARS-CoV-2 would infect humans at such a rate that the medical communities would not be able to keep up with new infections. Succumbing to exhausted supplies and slowly reduced medical staff due to infection the infection rate would once again spike upwards at an exponential rate. Another issue that complicates and compounds matters even worse is if patients who recover become carriers. The current outbreak of COVID-19 that began in Wuhan, China, has infected thousands of people, but questions remain about the infectivity, infectious period, and mechanisms of transmission. In this study, investigators report a family cluster of five patients who likely acquired infection with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus causing COVID-19) from an asymptomatic 20-year-old woman who lives in Wuhan and traveled to Anyang, China (approximately 673 kilometers from Wuhan). In Anyang, she had contact with two persons over a 3-day period and with another three persons on the third day of this period. Four days later, one of the contacts became symptomatic; the other four contacts became symptomatic over the ensuing 9 days. The suspected index person tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 by RT-PCR 16 days after arriving from Wuhan but tested positive 2 days later; yet she remained asymptomatic and had no evidence of infiltrates on chest CT performed the day before and three days after testing positive. She also had no elevation of C-reactive protein or any laboratory abnormalities. The five contacts all developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19; four were women aged 42 to 57 years old. All had positive RT-PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2 within 1 day after hospital admission and multifocal ground-glass opacities on chest CT. [https://www.jwatch.org/na50998/2020/02/24/potential-transmission-sars-cov-2-asymptomatic-carrier](https://www.jwatch.org/na50998/2020/02/24/potential-transmission-sars-cov-2-asymptomatic-carrier) So with the confirmed results of a person being a carrier and not know they are due being asymptomatic, the likelihood of the virus to continue to spread between humans through asymptomatic sources is 100%. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/112 "2020-03-31T23:21:32Z")
60 million normal or usual death per year at 7.7 person per 1,000, is 164,383.56 person per day, in average. 328,767.12 per 2 days. 657,534.24 per 4 days. 1,150,684.92 per week. That is 1.1 million. 2.2 million per 2 weeks. 4.4 million per 4 weeks. 4,931,506.8 per 30 days. 4.93 million per months. 9,863,013.6 per 2 months. 9.86. 14.79 million per 3 months. 29.58 million per 6 months. 44.37 million per 9 months. As long as it takes to gestate a new child. - [https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/death-rate-crude-per-1-000-people-wb-data.html](https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/death-rate-crude-per-1-000-people-wb-data.html) # United States - Death Rate, Crude Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in United States was reported at 8.5 in 2017, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources. United States - Death rate, crude - actual values, historical data, forecasts and projections were sourced from the [World Bank](https://data.worldbank.org/) on March of 2020. They have 10 years figures, 25 years and 50 years. Also more details as to those types of deaths, by numbers and by types. 8.5 per 1,000 people per year, which is 0.85%, or, less than 1%, with a population of 327.2 million (2018), is equal to 2,781,200.00 per years. 2.78 million per year. 7,619.7 per day. 15,239.4 per 2 days. 30478.9 per 4 days. 53,337.9 per week. 106,675.8 per 2 weeks. 213,351.6 per 4 weeks. 228,591 per 30 days, or per month. 457,182 per 2 months. 685,773 per 3 months. 1.371.546 per 6 months. 2,057,319 per 9 months. So yes, if they were to use this to control with police and put money in their pocket, they would do it. It could be worst without it than with it, yet, the fear of illness would allow them to capitalize on money and control, unless abuse is prevented and detected. There is already a lot of guilt trip psychological warfare going on, among other things, and that would be nothing new. I’m not saying it’s not good or required, however, good measures are required. If more vulnerable militarily, then, those scientist (military) will get involved for emergency reasons. Nonetheless, numbers are nothing if not taken in context. Sure, they are related to other numbers, but if those other numbers are not taken into account, and compared, and used to represent the figures, the meaning can be interpreted inaccurately, and lead to death. The virus 4% death rate to 20% is 4 times to 5 times worse than normal death rate, and, at 20% , it is 23 times worse than 0.85%. At 10% from 0.85%, it is 11.76% times worse. > **[Live updates: White House task force projects 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-news/)** > > Americans told to brace for 200,000 coronavirus deaths as world leaders push pandemic response further. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/113 "2020-04-01T00:06:07Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > ARS-CoV-2 cycle of replication is an exponential that will constantly peak and never have the peak flattened. No. Replication is finite, either on death of the host or prevention of transmission. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > There are six billion plus people on Earth. Not everyone will get treated for whatever reason. Those not getting treatment will help continue to spread the virus at an exponential and almost nearly infinite rate. No. Those not getting treated will be infectious but will only spread the disease if and when limits to transmission, including isolation and improved hygiene, fail. There are probabilities involved here but no absolutes. That includes the current _ **estimate** _ for world population being 7.8 billion people ie close enough but not absolute. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Other factors involved with second and third world countries continuing to spread the virus would be that they would shun being inoculated and would rather fight and die. As a result the SARS-CoV-2 virus will spread at an infinite and exponential rate across the Earth to eventually infect every single human on the planet. No. There is certainly a definite risk that uptake of inoculations would not be 100%. This can already be seen via ideological resistance to inoculations such as for polio in areas of Nigeria. However, inoculations elsewhere (as and when a suitable vaccine is developed) will by definition reduce _ **global** _ spread. Although, how efficacious any vaccine turns out to be is as yet unknown. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > The current outbreak has infected thousands of people, but questions remain about the infectivity, infectious period, and mechanisms of transmission. This is all true, particularly with respect to the unknown potential for people to either remain or once again become infectious, post -recovery. So, keep yourself healthy in terms of nutrition and exercise, as much as your personal circumstances allow, practice good hygiene, follow local restrictions. And don’t forget to phone a friend or use online forums such as EvE to keep up social contact. Or just chat to a neighbor through your window. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > So with the confirmed results of a person being a carrier and not know they are due being asymptomatic, the likelihood of the virus to continue to spread between humans through asymptomatic sources is 100%. No. It is not. Yes, the risk of transmission through asymptomatic carriers will persist but the probability of spread is not 100%, even for a highly infectious agent. Especially given your personal attention to hygiene and social distancing. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/114 "2020-04-01T00:23:32Z")
**You are 100% wrong.** The replication of the virus will become infinite. The chance that the virus will mutate after a billion failed attempts will create a new virus that can spread from humans to birds fro example. **No. Replication is finite, either on death of the host or prevention of transmission.** Wrong, replication is infinite due to the ability of the virus to mutate and jump too a new species, such as a bird or dog. **No. Those not getting treated will be infectious but will only spread the disease if and when limits to transmission, including isolation and improved hygiene, fail. There are probabilities involved here but no absolutes. That includes the current _estimate_ for world population being 7.8 billion people ie close enough but not absolute.** Wrong, the virus has been shown to remain hidden in a person who has recovered who then becomes a carrier without even knowing. **No. There is certainly a definite risk that uptake of inoculations would not be 100%. This can already be seen via ideological resistance to inoculations such as for polio in areas of Nigeria. However, inoculations elsewhere (as and when a suitable vaccine is developed) will by definition reduce _global_ spread. Although, how efficacious any vaccine turns out to be is as yet unknown.** Wrong, we are not talking about polio. **No. It is not. Yes, the risk of transmission through asymptomatic carriers will persist but the probability of spread is not 100%, even for a highly infectious agent. Especially given your personal attention to hygiene and social distancing.** Wrong, without any vaccine the transmission of the virus through asymptomatic carriers will result in a 100% spread of the virus to all humans, save those who humans who live on secluded islands and do not have any contact with the rest of the world. Due to shortages in masks for health care workers, the virus will infect more people causing even more asymptomatic transmission to take place. Because health care workers are being given first choice in masks, the number of infected will go up exponentially as a result. > **[IHME forecast: Ohio COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic to peak April 15](https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/ihme-forecast-ohio-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-to-peak-april-15/)** > > COLUMBUS (WOOD/WCMH) — The peak of the COVID-19 pandemic is about 17 days away for Ohio, according to projections published Thursday by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Nationally, … Based on current death rates, the IHME is forecasting the COVID-19 daily death toll in the U.S. to spike at 95 in Ohio on April 15, with a total of 2,733 Ohioans losing their lives to COVID-19 by Aug. 4. Ohio is expected to finally record no COVID-19 deaths for the day on June 30. Two days ago - Nationwide, IHME is predicting 2,341 will die at the height of the pandemic on April 14, with the daily death toll finally dropping below 100 on June 12. By Aug. 4, an estimated 81,114 people in the U.S. will have died from COVID-19, if the IHME’s predictions hold true. 3,807 deaths have already taken place, 1,466 more than were expected at the peak on April 14. The figures for the peak death rate will be somewhere in the 100,000 to 125,000 range. That is if there is going to be a peak. Unlike China there are factors that haven’t been included, for example the fact that there over 11 million illegal and undocumented workers in the U.S. that will contribute more deaths to the tally as a result of being infected and not getting treated or being infected and purposely spreading the virus to other people. Unlike China the U.S. is a free society that has hard headed people in the country that think they won’t get infected or that they know that they only have a slight cold and don’t get infected. By a lucky chance these types of people will be asymptomatic and further spread the virus. If 50,000 illegals are infected that will continue to spread the virus exponentially. 50,000 illegals that are not able to be tracked and are very apt at remaining hidden from society. Until there is a vaccine, there won’t be any peak in the virus spreading itself. But all it takes is one infected person to start it all over again…just one. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/115 "2020-04-01T00:52:31Z")
# COVID-19 Animation: What Happens If You Get Coronavirus? 2,051,645 views • _Mar 28, 2020_ [Nucleus Medical Media](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85VW73bQLEjs_taFKP7TwQ) 2.28M subscribers Lots of jargon, which, when communicated to someone who either asked to go see someone to help them, as diversion from solving problems created from them being paid $60,000 a year or more to help, is not going to help, because, they refuse to accomplish the implementation of solution working, leading to the physical distancing. Each of the terms used are in relation to other systems. They also don’t listen, which leads to the same communication gap they try to gain unfair advantage from, and use their knowledge of the lack in knowledge in other, they try to justify, and get away with. Then also try to mislead and confuse, as if it was not what they tried to do, like, when someone designs systems to analyse their activity, claim they make no sense, so to try to get away with it, as if it wasn’t clear why they try to claim the nonsense, to get away with it. The best part of it is that it will finally get rid of a lot of the frauds and extortion potential and damage. Another option is to put the infected cases in one place and nuke them, or in space with the new space force. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/116 "2020-04-01T01:47:49Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > **You are 100% wrong.** > > The replication of the virus will become infinite. The chance that the virus will mutate after a billion failed attempts will create a new virus that can spread from humans to birds fro example. You are talking probabilities and assumptions. It is probable that the virus will mutate. That is correct. What the outcomes of any mutation will be, we do not know. What we do know is if transmission is stalled, including because the host dies, and before any useful mutation happens, then replication stops. It is not a 100% probability that it is infinite. But even if it is, all we need to do is stall and/or limit it long enough for vaccine discovery and production. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > the virus has been shown to remain hidden in a person who has recovered who then becomes a carrier without even knowing. That is not confirmed. There is also a (strong) probability at this stage that user-error in applying the tests is causing this uncertainty. There is also good evidence that initial (Chinese) tests might not have been sensitive enough. That aside, even if there are hidden carriers (which we know there definitely are) barriers to transmission, including personal hygiene and distancing, will still have a strong slowing if not fully preventative impact. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > we are not talking about polio. You were talking about the _ **risk** _ that some cultures would resist inoculation. I was agreeing with you and using polio as a _ **proven** _ example. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > without any vaccine the transmission of the virus through asymptomatic carriers will result in a 100% spread of the virus to all humans, save those who humans who live on secluded islands and do not have any contact with the rest of the world. You are effectively agreeing with me. By using social distancing and good hygiene the probability of you creating your own de-facto island, wherever you are, is high thereby preventing 100% transmission. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > there over 11 million illegal and undocumented workers in the U.S. that will contribute more deaths to the tally as a result of being infected and not getting treated You could just as easily argue that a (large) number of Americans - of whatever legal status - will not get treated because of the lack of affordable medical insurance and/ or there not enough free public health services. At this stage, all you can do is focus on you and yours. Practice good hygiene. Keep as healthy as you can, regarding any other ailments, and leave the politics aside. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > All it takes is one infected person to start it all over again…just one. Agreed. So do your bit and stop wondering about what others may or may not be doing. Keep healthy. Exercise, mind and body. Pray, if it gives you comfort. Eat, sleep & sanitize. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/117 "2020-04-01T01:58:23Z")
> **[Spanish princess becomes first royal worldwide to die of coronavirus](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11277169/princess-maria-teresa-spain-dies-coronavirus/)** > > PRINCESS Maria Teresa of Spain has died aged 86 after testing positive for coronavirus.  The princess, of the Bourbon-Parma Royal Family in Spain, has become the first royal around the world to die… - > 22 minutes ago at 10:12 NYtime. 02:13 EVE Online ingame time current time. - > 13 hours ago ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/118 "2020-04-01T02:53:47Z")
> [@lilsteel](#): > > I guess tomorrow is internet shutdown time I did seriously wonder if the media would release April Fool’s jokes this year, under the existing circumstances. But that was forgetting about social media. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/119 "2020-04-01T04:33:14Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > I did seriously wonder if the media would release April Fool’s jokes this year, under the existing circumstances. But that was forgetting about social media. Apparently is real. I do get worst attacks than April Fool’s schemes, more like schisms than schemes. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/120 "2020-04-01T04:34:44Z")
Viruses are certainly environmental factor in evolution of living creatures. There is a big chance this one will also change human civilization and for sure it will change economy and science in very near future. Humans honestly deserved it for messing with poor pangolins. > **[Pangolin | Threats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#Threats)** > > Pangolins are in high demand for Chinese traditional medicine in southern China and Vietnam because their scales are believed to have medicinal properties. Their meat is also considered a delicacy. 100,000 are estimated to be trafficked a year to China and Vietnam, amounting to over one million over the past decade. This makes it the most trafficked animal in the world. This, coupled with deforestation, has led to a large decrease in the numbers of pangolins. S Pangolins are also hunted and eaten... ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/121 "2020-04-01T04:51:57Z")
TL;DR for this thread: drugs are bad. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/122 "2020-04-01T05:35:28Z")
You mess with Mother Nature, she’ll eventually smack ya back. > **[There are early signs that coronavirus outbreaks around the world are slowing...](https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-outbreak-appears-to-be-slow-in-europe-and-us-2020-3)** > > Data has shown the number of new cases slowing in the US and western Europe, two major epicenters of the coronavirus pandemic. -There is some evidence that the spread of the coronavirus is slowing around the world. 100,000 Pangolin’s are estimated to be trafficked a year to China and Vietnam. Perhaps China isn’t the epicenter. Perhaps a Pangolin that was brought from Vietnam is where the epicenter of the virus migrated from. I’m thinking that one of the Pangolin species came into contact with a virus in a region where deforestation is taking place. Maybe the virus is a defense mechanism of a plant or tree that is released when the plant or tree is under great distress. **Researchers from the Experimental Station of Arid Zones (EEZA-CSIC) and the Netherlands Institute of Ecology (NIOO) have discovered that birds that feed on insects are attracted to trees infested with butterfly caterpillars (Lepidoptera), and the mechanism responsible for this behaviour.** **“When faced with a caterpillar attack, a defence mechanism is activated in the plant which involves releasing volatile compounds that predatory birds use to find their prey,” Luisa Amo de Paz, lead author of the study and researcher at the EEZA-CSIC, tells SINC.** **“This phenomenon had been studied in arthropod predators, but scarcely in insectivorous birds, even though they are one of the most important predators of insects,” she continues.** **To discover this mechanism, scientists carried out various experiments with great tits _(Parus major)_ . They allowed the birds to choose between a tree infested with Lepidoptera caterpillars and another uninfested tree. In the experiments they removed any chemical residues from the caterpillars in order to be able to conclude that the birds are attracted by chemical signals emitted by the tree, and not by any signal from the caterpillars.** Perhaps a tree or plant that the Pangolin frequents developed the ability to release a virus that attached itself to the Pangolin. The Pangolin is captured by humans and by chance and after many trillions of mistakes made during the evolution of the virus, the virus finally got it correct that resulted in the newest Coronavirus. The jungle doesn’t play. Eventually, your gonna get something nasty when you eat something that sticks its tongue in dirty holes looking for ants. You should make it a rule to never eat something that flicks a dirty hole. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469/123 "2020-04-01T07:50:20Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > You mess with Mother Nature, she’ll eventually smack ya back. Mother nature is the mother of all BS. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-on-corona-virus/225469.md?page=7)