# Wardec Mechanics are really balanced (tm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 29, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737 "2024-04-29T19:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/62 "2024-09-28T18:23:01Z")
Oh most do, some who do not are just part of the bell curve. But maybe you shoud ask yourself if you want to bring some arguments about the wardec mechanics back to the discussion instead of derailing the topic with theoretical arguing about an issue you don’t know anything about because you are not part of it? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/63 "2024-09-28T18:49:23Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > an issue you don’t know anything about because you are not part of it? I have a PhD in Gankotherapy. ![a woman in a graduation cap and gown is smiling and holding her diploma .](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/3/f/d3fbad772307a2c69415429a90cf6a3ce2eb1c9f.gif) We were progressing nicely with your student loss issues and delusionment as to why newbies leave EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/64 "2024-09-28T18:54:08Z")
Those you gank are usually not my students. We are going in circles. And I really appreciate the ganker’s work, they weed out the lazy and the dumb, it’s a great service. It’s completely different from the wardec discussion however. Ganking is fine, anyone wardeccing anyone else is dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/65 "2024-09-28T18:55:32Z")
And now for some EVE music from the good old days of can flipping https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?visual=false&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F99142015&show_artwork=true&maxheight=166 > [@Syzygium](#): > > anyone wardeccing anyone else is dumb. BLACKFLAG gonna love you ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/66 "2024-09-30T05:04:57Z")
they were. ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/67 "2024-10-12T00:11:46Z")
While your post does make sense in many regards, let’s look at the big picture and what Eve is. Yes, you can and are encouraged to “make something of your own”, your own little sand castle in the vast universe. However, as in rl, there is always someone who wants to come along and kick down that sand castle. This is the nature of Eve… realism in the sense that there are going to be those who don’t like you, territory conflict, or simply, they want what you have or don’t want you to have it. You can be scammed, lose everything, or rise to great heights. There is nothing wrong with new players wanting to make their own little “slice of heaven”. There is, however, something wrong with thinking that there is and never will be conflict either internally or externally and that they can create, maintain, and remain relevant with impunity. Those who want to create grandeur for themselves should and must always be prepared to defend it. While I do not disagree that the war mechanics are flawed, especially after 2016-17ish, the same principals remain. If you intend to create something of value, expect that others will notice this and likely want to take it from you so you must be prepared at all times to defend your interests. If you cannot or will not defend your interests, you likely don’t deserve to have them and certainly won’t keep them for any appreciable longevity. THIS is the deciding factor on which corps survive and which do not. I am please that there are those out there that endeavor to help new players get a foothold in the craziness that is the Eve universe. However, the first thing they should learn is to protect themselves and their interests and not try to take on more than they or their skills can defend. IMHO, this is the mistake new players make and what turns them off from Eve. You cannot form a faction, corporation, or take a territory without the means to effectively defend it. That’s just ludicrous. Eve, though no doubt flawed, prides itself on offering players a level of realism in this manner. As in rl, you MUST be savvy to scams, aware of your surroundings, who has their eyes on you, how to defend your interests, and deal with conflict effectively. While Eve is a game, the realism it offers carries the same cautions as rl. If you chose to ignore these, you do it at your peril. And now…I digress. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/68 "2024-10-12T04:32:34Z")
> [@Kaely\_Tanniss](#): > > However, as in rl, there is always someone who wants to come along and kick down that sand castle. Those RL comparisons always fail at the point hat in RL burning your neighbors store has _severe_ consequences. I agree that you cannot really stop anyone from doing it if he really wants to, but a) you _can_ have an insurance that covers that loss almost a 100% and b) the offender _will_ go to jail for a long long time. But that “everyone can wardec everyone else”-concept some people promote, asks for a system where attacking others basically has _no consequences_. And yes, paying some ISKies literally is no consequence for a veteran player who is already drowning in ISK. > [@Kaely\_Tanniss](#): > > This is the nature of Eve… realism in the sense that there are going to be those who don’t like you, territory conflict, or simply, they want what you have or don’t want you to have it. You can be scammed, lose everything, or rise to great heights. Nothing wrong with such rules as long as you realize that this “realism” is a “virtual realism” you create and it isn’t the reality that EVE as a product on the gaming market exists. You can go for such a concept, but if you don’t have some basic protection rules for starters, 99%+ of all people who try your game will not find it worth investing time and/or money in long term. Exactly what we can see. > [@Kaely\_Tanniss](#): > > Those who want to create grandeur for themselves should and must always be prepared to defend it. > [@](#): > > you must be prepared at all times to defend your interests. If you cannot or will not defend your interests, you likely don’t deserve to have them and certainly won’t keep them for any appreciable longevity. THIS is the deciding factor on which corps survive and which do not. > [@](#): > > create something of value, expect that others will notice this and likely want to take it from you so you must be prepared at all times to defend your interests. Having their own little corp with some friends, using some corp-hangar, a logo and a name as “corporate identity” isn’t exactly “grandeur”. It’s most basic stuff at the very start of the game and it shouldn’t lead to become open for assassination all day long. I do agree that there should be diffuculties and dangers _on the way to the top_, but these have to be seen in proportion. An “everyone-can-wardec-everyone-system” as we already had it simply is bad because it violates this very principle. It makes shooting newbies for the fun of seeing them being totally unable to deal with a group of veterans slapping them around extremely easy. > [@Kaely\_Tanniss](#): > > As in rl, you MUST be savvy to scams, aware of your surroundings, who has their eyes on you, how to defend your interests, and deal with conflict effectively. While Eve is a game, the realism it offers carries the same cautions as rl. If you chose to ignore these, you do it at your peril. Thats not the RL I live in, honestly. I am not watching my back all day long, expecting others to stab me from behind or burning my store for the simple reason to laugh at me. And I don’t think any society that ever existed on this planet that had it this way was very successful. So I don’t believe that should be used as a good example to create a game that is meant to _attract players_ so they give the hosting company their time and money. ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/69 "2024-10-12T06:36:25Z")
You must live in Shangri-La. You can’t argue with some one who refuses to see or accept it. So, you feel free to reject reality and substitute your own. I will not feed the troll. Again, wrong game for those who cannot adapt. Happy hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/70 "2024-10-12T06:44:14Z")
I am one day into my First HS war. Dumb. So Dumb. (mechanics) ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/71 "2024-10-12T06:49:36Z")
Hi, how are you today? ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/72 "2024-10-12T06:53:11Z")
Eating Haribo and flying around looking for Wartargets. So good? I guess xD ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/73 "2024-10-12T06:57:23Z")
I would like to fly cruises in fw Is the Haribo also for Halloween , if so then I would visit your system for trick or treats. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/74 "2024-10-12T07:52:34Z")
> [@Alice\_Saki](#): > > flying around looking for Wartargets. Hate to dissapapoint, but HS wars are just about structure bashing. If you want HS PvP , try ganking. > [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > I would like to fly cruises in fw Cruises or Curses ? You have already been found guilty of littering low sec with garbage Frostpacker FINE: 1 billion ISK ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/75 "2024-10-12T07:59:33Z")
We are ignoring the Structure, Just cycling Corps and Putting a new one down… Stupidly Cheap. ( I found Felix Next Door :P) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/76 "2024-10-12T08:02:44Z")
So who is pestering you, BLACKFLAG or RIOT ? ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/77 "2024-10-12T08:03:08Z")
Eh? We are shooting Eve Uni We’re not a Highsec Corp. I’m a Low Sec Pirate, We’re just being arseholes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/78 "2024-10-12T08:08:58Z")
> [@Alice\_Saki](#): > > We’re just being arseholes That’s good ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/79 "2024-10-28T01:47:52Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Thats not the RL I live in, honestly. I am not watching my back all day long, expecting others to stab me from behind or burning my store for the simple reason to laugh at me. No…but you do live in a RL in which huge empires and massive wealth were, like in Eve, established before you were even born. The dice are already loaded. I think that is more the context that is being argued…rather than whether anyone can legally burn your store. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/80 "2024-10-28T08:18:40Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > The dice are already loaded. I think that is more the context that is being argued…rather than whether anyone can legally burn your store. If the goal is to “have an option to break up existing empires”, HS wardecs are the least effective method, because those wars barely affect the big powers in EVE. And establishing a wardec system like the one we already had, where everyone can wardec anyone else for whatever reason will achieve nothing in that regard, while leading exactly to the scenario of new groups being totally unable to grow and compete against those already existing, because they will be wardecced constantly by vets aiming for easy kills. So yes, it has _everything_ to do with the ability to legally burn the small stores while not even making a dent into the walmart empires - and thats why its bad. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737/81 "2024-10-28T08:53:41Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > aiming for easy kills Nothing easier than an anti ganker killwhoring than beating their chest about how great they are [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-are-really-balanced-tm/447737.md?page=5)