# Wardec - mechanics to eliminate players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 17, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890 "2018-02-17T19:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/325 "2018-02-21T15:26:27Z")
I gave out likes to the first 1300 replies in LAGL thread, regardless if I actually like the poster or not. Eventually I’ll continue liking each posted reply in that thread. > [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > I wonder if his like farming will be as major as it was in the last iteration of the forums. Not sure what you’re implying. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/326 "2018-02-21T15:26:54Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I could go on but this debate is endless and tiresome. Every action in EVE is PVP. Even if you engage in PVE. There is no escaping PVP. I know this is difficult to wrap ones head around, but its because every action (including inaction) impacts the rest of EVE as a player based community. No matter what you do, or don’t do, you are perpetually in a state of PVP with everyone else in EVE, and they with you. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/327 "2018-02-21T15:30:58Z")
Look up the meaning of ‘Detract’. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > But DMC says it’s not true so it has to be like he says /s I don’t appreciate your constant troll jabs, seems I need to start flagging replies. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/328 "2018-02-21T15:36:20Z")
Go ahead Flag my every post with all the alts you have Truth hurts, I know But somehow most people that usually hate me have the exact same views as me and my comrades And you’re one of the only dudes that disagree Think about it 😘 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/329 "2018-02-21T15:45:43Z")
Heh, don’t have any alts. But since you keep trying to instigate a forum flame war, from now on I’ll be sure to flag your personal attacks, regardless of who it’s directed towards. ---
**Author:** ![Julien\_Brellier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/julien_brellier/32/171562_2.png) [@Julien\_Brellier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Julien_Brellier)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/330 "2018-02-21T15:53:36Z")
Go looking for the deccers on zkill and evewho. Learn who they are, which ones are active, what they fly and where they operate. Set them to low standings. Keep local chat out in a different window with the member list set to compact. Make sure everybody in the corp knows to do all of these things and your highsec wardec will only last one week and involve zero losses. TL:DR learn how the game works, prevent tears ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/331 "2018-02-21T16:04:05Z")
I realize it’s hard to accept this but if nobody is within the same system from DT to DT, then some of the activities performed in that system would have no PvP involvement. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/332 "2018-02-21T16:28:05Z")
The difference between you and I is that I can admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/333 "2018-02-21T16:31:36Z")
> [@Dora\_SiPetualang](#): > > I agree with OP … today mechanics make it harder to build a new corps from the ground up because any corps can wardec them and destroy their dream for the future. This has been the case since 2003, the current wardec mechanics have been watered down so far, when compared to those in the past, that most mercs are reduced to hub humping. As for destroying dreams… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/2/32523685cde286ddcfab65163a98478482f80f74.jpg) Working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/334 "2018-02-21T16:46:24Z")
We can settle this ingame if you want Altho I doubt you’ll accept (like all the previous ones) It’s ok if you don’t tho, you’ll just have less credibility 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/335 "2018-02-21T16:50:07Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I realize it’s hard to accept this but if nobody is within the same system from DT to DT, then some of the activities performed in that system would have no PvP involvement. That is false. I correct it : “If nobody else WAS present in the system from DT to DT, then there HAS NOT BEEN confrontation observable”. just because you hauled 10b from delve to Jita in autopilot , untaked freighter, does not mean Eve is not a PvP game. The POSSIBILITY that someone comes and you have interaction with, makes it a PvP game. YOUR examples are extreme. First, extreme low probability, then extremely useless as they do not address any point actually brought. Also YOU made personal aggressions, so please report your own posts. IF everybody was doing the thing you say (only farm in system with nobody), then people wanting pvp would anyhow start hunting you. Because they CAN. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/336 "2018-02-21T17:24:01Z")
> [@Dora\_SiPetualang](#): > > I agree with OP … today mechanics make it harder to build a new corps from the ground up because any corps can wardec them and destroy their dream for the future. Really? Did you know deccing a corp used to just cost a measly 5 million ISK? Guess what plenty of new corps formed then. And it was worse in some ways. You’d have focused war decs–i.e. they’d dec you and hunt you down. Using watchlist and locator agents they’d track where you were and go after you. They could sit and camp your preferred systems even if they were out of the way. Now…it costs more to dec a corp, and order of magnitude more (at least). Focused war decs are not nearly as easy and most war decs are mass decs where they camp trade hubs and roam trade lanes. Stay off those and you avoid them with considerable ease. Have everyone stay out of trade hubs and off the trade lanes between hubs so long as the dec is active there is a very good chance the dec will be dropped. In fact, create hauling/trade alts to send to trade hubs and along the trade lanes. Keep these guys in noob or NPC corps and there you go. Now you won’t even draw a mass dec. Seriosusly, a little bit of thought and you can avoid this problem. > [@Dora\_SiPetualang](#): > > Maybe adding timed imunity for the new corps will work … Example, new corps cannot be legally wardecs for their first 1 year, etc. Maybe taking steps to limit your exposure to war decs. Showing up in a blingy ship or with a big fat load of cargo in a trade hub basically says, “War dec me please.” So stop doing that at least. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > By the way, I don’t watch local in high sec. Egads! Really? I do. then again I’m usually in a JF on an OOC alt so being aware of when CODE. is about and stuff is handy. ---
**Author:** ![Awesome\_Possum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/awesome_possum/32/54051_2.png) [@Awesome\_Possum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Awesome_Possum)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/337 "2018-02-21T17:40:49Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I realize it’s hard to accept this but if nobody is within the same system from DT to DT, then some of the activities performed in that system would have no PvP involvement. every isk you spend at the market, every lp you cash in, every piece of loot or ore you dump into buy orders is pvp engagement. EVERY aspect of the game is pvp oriented, it’s not just about locking targets, hitting f1, and scooping loot. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/338 "2018-02-21T18:16:14Z")
No matter how many times you say it, your analogy is irrelevant since it’s a totally different activity compared to the ones that I had originally listed. Obviously you just skim over what I write without actually reading it completely. Let me make this perfectly clear for you: I NEVER SAID EVE WASN’T A PvP GAME. The ability to be completely alone in a specific system with no other players for days on end is highly probable and easily achieved. In that situation **some activities** performed in game would be devoid of PvP involvement which makes it PvE, to say otherwise is incorrect… That was the extent of my statement which you have continuously blown way out of proportion in some hostile attempt to prove me wrong. Get over it already. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/339 "2018-02-21T18:20:37Z")
> [@Awesome\_Possum](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > I realize it’s hard to accept this but if nobody is within the same system from DT to DT, then some of the activities performed in that system would have no PvP involvement. > > every isk you spend at the market, every lp you cash in, every piece of loot or ore you dump into buy orders is pvp engagement. > > EVERY aspect of the game is pvp oriented, it’s not just about locking targets, hitting f1, and scooping loot. Ahhh, somebody’s alt jumping into the convo now. Thanks for showing us you didn’t even read what you quoted, let alone the rest of the thread. By the way, how does buying items from the LP Store involve PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/340 "2018-02-21T18:21:24Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > In that situation some activities performed in game would be devoid of PvP involvement which makes it PvE, to say otherwise is incorrect… THAT is false, for the reasons I said before. And OF COURSE you still can’t explain why I am talking about EXTREME situations. That is even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Awesome\_Possum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/awesome_possum/32/54051_2.png) [@Awesome\_Possum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Awesome_Possum)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/341 "2018-02-21T18:29:43Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > [@Awesome\_Possum](#): > > > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > > > I realize it’s hard to accept this but if nobody is within the same system from DT to DT, then some of the activities performed in that system would have no PvP involvement. > > > > every isk you spend at the market, every lp you cash in, every piece of loot or ore you dump into buy orders is pvp engagement. > > > > EVERY aspect of the game is pvp oriented, it’s not just about locking targets, hitting f1, and scooping loot. > > Ahhh, somebody’s alt jumping into the convo now. Thanks for showing us you didn’t even read what you quoted, let alone the rest of the thread. > > By the way, how does buying items from the LP Store involve PvP? may wanna look me up on eve search pumpkin ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/342 "2018-02-21T18:40:11Z")
If people can’t be wardeced they will be suicide ganked. If players are not ready for PvP 24/7/365/everywhere/everyone then they are not in the right game and picking on the straw that broke the camels back is pointless. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/343 "2018-02-21T18:47:51Z")
What’s false is you thinking everything you say is true. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And OF COURSE you still can’t explain why I am talking about EXTREME situations. That is even worse. Gawd, you really love to present things out of context. I never said extreme situations, I said extreme examples which doesn’t need to be explained if you’d only read what you wrote. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I do invention and I have to deal with market. You DECIDE to buy them from NPC, which is a way to compete the other people by not giving them your money. You say buying items from NPC’s is PvP because other players are denied ISK. Yeah ok, that’s not an extreme example of PvP. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/344 "2018-02-21T18:53:09Z")
> [@Awesome\_Possum](#): > > may wanna look me up on eve search pumpkin Don’t care about your character other than the fact that you can’t say how buying items from the LP Store is PvP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890.md?page=18)