# Wardec - mechanics to eliminate players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 17, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890 "2018-02-17T19:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/162 "2018-02-19T16:44:17Z")
> [@Rexxar\_Santaro](#): > > I believe that you have enough ISK to hire the best advocate in the city to win the court. No mate, this is basic debate 101 and you suck at it hard enough to get _mercs_ to agree with one another. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/163 "2018-02-19T16:44:30Z")
Obviously you failed to completely read my replies since my examples explicitly stated being alone in systems with no other people. By the way, all materials for Manufacturing comes from PvE content which can be done without being affected by PvP. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/164 "2018-02-19T16:46:34Z")
Your troll attempt reeks of jealously. Put that in your CV. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/165 "2018-02-19T16:49:10Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > By the way, all materials for Manufacturing comes from PvE content which can be done without being affected by PvP. Im just saying you opened the door for text walls with that one, meladdio. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/166 "2018-02-19T16:49:53Z")
And are you saying it’s not true? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/167 "2018-02-19T16:50:32Z")
LIterally? Hmm probably it could be theoretically possible, but Im cant see it in practise. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/168 "2018-02-19T16:52:02Z")
Guess it all depends on your location within the game and the time zone that you’re logged in with. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/169 "2018-02-19T16:52:37Z")
I was thinking more about the basics. How do you decide what to manufacture, and what do you plan to do with it once its finished. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/170 "2018-02-19T16:53:40Z")
Manufacture munitions to be used personally. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/171 "2018-02-19T16:55:36Z")
Manufacturing and Marketing are two different activities in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/172 "2018-02-19T16:58:05Z")
Whilst gathering the materials can be done without direct pvp, I put it to you that safely gathering materials cannot be done in that way without knowledge that other players may seek to pvp you so you can mitigate the risk. Does that sound right? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/173 "2018-02-19T17:00:06Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Manufacturing and Marketing are two different activities in the game. That gives rise to an indirect effect on at least one other player, the one you deprived of a sale. Thus it could be considered to be PvP because you are affecting other players by your actions. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/174 "2018-02-19T17:05:18Z")
I know what you’re trying to get me to admit but the whole scenario is based on being alone in one of many systems all contained on one server. I gave examples of PvE content that can be done without being affected by PvP. That was it, nothing more. I never said Eve wasn’t a PvP game. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/175 "2018-02-19T17:06:32Z")
> [@Savoycabbage](#): > > Undocking in Eve is consenting to PvP. This is a well known fact. Like it or not, this is the way Eve works. > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Nah mate, everything in this game is PVP, or at the very least there to drive and facilitate PVP. That’s why all the PVE content is generic and repetitive, because it’s a tool more than it is actual gameplay. > [@Savoycabbage](#): > > Unless they undock from a station and are insta-blapped by gankers. > [@Savoycabbage](#): > > Even in a dead-end system with nobody else in, anyone could jump into the system at any time, warp to you and kill you. By undocking you are accepting the risk that you could lose your ship to another player. That is eve > [@Savoycabbage](#): > > Anyone in a mission can be ganked by those looking for shiny mission runners with expensive mods. PvE becomes PvP > > Anyone mining can be scammed by CODE for a permit/ just ganked for the hell of it. PvE becomes PvP No! It’s griefing and scaming, as a dirty parody of PVP. **Form your perspective, the PVP is taking candy from a baby. That’s it.** True PVP in EVE is Alliance Tournaments and time to time happens in Low-, -Null-Sec brawls. Undocking in EVE isn’t PVP, because PVP requires an interaction between tow players. I’m repeating myself. **An interaction between two players!** On undock you just can’t lock me. I can refuse to interact with you. I’m canceling the PVP. I can fit a ship that you’ll never lock me. I can be in a system with 1000 Stiletto hunters and they’ll not got any PVP, cause I’ll avaiod their PVP, until DC, lags or EVE crash. I can undock a blindly tank Marauder, being under NPC corp flag, which will tank the end of time. But in this case you’ll ignore my PVP. Do you see what I mean? You can sit near a station in a Tornado, with the pompous PVP flag, as soon I’ll undock a Crane you’ll begin your PVP. If I’ll undock a Marauder or a BS/BC, you’ll dock as fast as possible. All these poor actions are called: scamming and griefing. At the same time they can be called as a sort of pathetic PVP. and vice versa Lets say I’m in a ship under cruise control of Auto pilot. I’m AFK. I gone for a cup of coffee. You just suicide ganked my auto piloted ship. It’s not PVP. It’s PVE. You acted versus my ship under server AI. When Miners are farmed by CODE it can’t be called PVP. Most of them are AFK or complete defenseless. It’s PVE. You shoot at unpiloted ship and just after that are counter ganked by AI - other PVE entity. When you gank a 5 bil hauler isn’t PVP. It’s a pure classical robbery and piracy. This isn’t good for EVE, this is good for a victim’s concurrent. He just lost 5, 10 bil of ISK, but every of you just lost a ‘wash tube catalyst’ for 3 mil ISK. Mining, Salvaging, Missions, Incursions aren’t PVP. I can gain some ISK from that, I can gain some loot from that. **It can be stored in stations, without any interaction to other world or players. No PVP.** It gains some uncommon PVP aspects as soon I’ll drop those items on Sell Orders. This is why in that diagram, I’d posted above, the Marketing is under PVP arrow section. Another good examples of true PVP are Null-Sec wars, FW, Dueling, Combat brawls where all ships are combat. BjornBee, Suitonia, Zavrox doing just ok PVP. YES, that is PVP. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/176 "2018-02-19T17:08:26Z")
No it doesn’t. Going by your interpretation, then I’m affecting those players when I’m not logged in since they’ll be deprived of a possible sale. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/177 "2018-02-19T17:09:23Z")
Then we both agree thesame situation exists, you just choose to call it a situation devoid of PvP and I call it a situation that only exists because of it. Its cool to have a different point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/178 "2018-02-19T17:11:49Z")
You’re actively depriving someone of a sale by making your own ammo, that is economic PvP. Not logging in is not playing the game at all, ergo your argument is invalid when we’re talking about ingame PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/179 "2018-02-19T17:12:57Z")
> [@Savoycabbage](#): > > The bot discussion is being had too late? I can’t remember a time when botting wasn’t discussed in Eve. Some of the darker corners of null sec haven’t changed hands in years and are safe havens for ratters and probably always will be. Ever since I joined the game (11 years ago now), there has been speculation that botting goes on in these areas. So, this began in EVE with the Renting Empires? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/180 "2018-02-19T17:15:16Z")
Haha, yeah ok. Come on man, now you’re clutching at straws in an attempt to support the premise that everything in this game is PvP. Going by the initial context of your statement, not logging into the game is also a form of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890/181 "2018-02-19T17:19:13Z")
I’ll take your rebuttal as further evidence that you’ve never accepted the reality of the game you choose to play, something that has become obvious over the years. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-mechanics-to-eliminate-players/57890.md?page=10)