# Wardec Nerf incoming

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [October 20, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335 "2018-10-20T00:42:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/327 "2018-10-21T21:17:13Z")

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You’ll never see it I am not interested in killing or dying in Eve 😊

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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/328 "2018-10-21T21:19:24Z")

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> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#):
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> You’ll never see it I am not interested in killing or dying in Eve 😊

Oh really??

You mean the people who want arenas and consensual pvp only will never pvp even if they get it?

Never saw that coming.

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**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/329 "2018-10-21T21:20:42Z")

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No one has ever mentioned from CCP about removing CODE.  
Everyone that’s trying to spam that bull is trying to make you forget about CODEs Fortizar in Uedama.

We are not telling pvp to get ■■■■■■ just those lame people who actually have to be forced to fight someone close to their own size.

Seriously how lame a person are you that you spend so much time trying to find someone so much smaller than yourself. Holy ■■■■ get a mirror.

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**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/330 "2018-10-21T21:22:12Z")

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> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#):
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> What has this to do with bittervet drivel. I can’t just drop corp if I have assets and production setup. This is no exaggeration or anything, this is exactly what I will do if wardecs are tied to structures.

Again, more bittervet disingenuous garbage. You can make an alt to haul, that is what highsec is doing now, you dont have to drop anything and you know it and anyone reading this knows it as well, stop beating your dead-horse argument to death, it’s plenty dead already.

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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/331 "2018-10-21T21:30:59Z")

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Are you replying to the right person?

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**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/332 "2018-10-21T21:31:23Z")

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It wasn’t at a person it was at everyone.

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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/333 "2018-10-21T21:32:07Z")

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Coolio. But certain reply buttons send people notifications that you’re replying to them.

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**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/334 "2018-10-21T21:32:33Z")

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the one at the bottom?

And why the ■■■■ isn’t there a post button but only reply buttons?

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**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/335 "2018-10-21T21:42:41Z")

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> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#):
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> I really hope the “final design” will not be along the lines I fear

It will go exactly the way you fear it will, and that because this is the right way to solve the problem.

You have been in denial for long enough, people have been trying to tell you but you wouldn’t listen, tried to explain to you why it was a good thing.  
WarDec Structures are coming, and for all the right reasons. You have nothing to offer but irrational fear and mad delusions.

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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/336 "2018-10-21T21:47:00Z")

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The one with the white arrow at the bottom of each persons post will send the poster a notification.

A little way below the latest post is a button that says ‘reply’ with a black arrow. That one replies to the post in general…Probably sends a notification to anyone ‘following’ the thread.

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**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/337 "2018-10-21T21:48:13Z")

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Just out of curiosity does that seem right to you?

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**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/338 "2018-10-21T21:51:37Z")

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Seems to work.

Apart from wanting the old neocom icons back i tend to stay away from ui debates,

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/339 "2018-10-21T21:52:33Z")

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> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#):
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> You have been in denial for long enough, people have been trying to tell you but you wouldn’t listen, tried to explain to you why it was a good thing.  
> WarDec Structures are coming, and for all the right reasons. You have nothing to offer but irrational fear and mad delusions.

Oh dear. Can’t read because of all your butthurt? The reason why I’m against the change is because it stands in the way of an actual fix that well fixes something. This will change nothing at all except you have now some few corps that can’t be wardeced. The crying of you carebears will continue as it will now yous appear to the victim-pros that they are denied structures

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**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/340 "2018-10-21T21:53:30Z")

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> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#):
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> You have been in denial for long enough, people have been trying to tell you but you wouldn’t listen, tried to explain to you why it was a good thing.  
> WarDec Structures are coming, and for all the right reasons. You have nothing to offer but irrational fear and mad delusions.

You do realise the war dec community have been requesting changes for years right ? Been in a hole or something?

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**Author:** ![HATHORFLUX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hathorflux/32/132894_2.png) [@HATHORFLUX](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HATHORFLUX)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/341 "2018-10-21T21:54:08Z")

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> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#):
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> It’s not boring enough yet. Once wardecs and ganking are removed they will join in the millions. They are just waiting outside because every game out there dreams of a spaceship shooting game where you can’t shoot spaceships

Brilliant post, excellet exposure, who would want a shooting game to shoot people,

one possible fix we could imagine would also be to put a little of magic into the sandbox by adding barbecue sites instead of the plexes in low where we could hunt some space deers instead of neuting , scrambling, shooting and, at the end, hurting the feelings of poor little players…

I’s ok to balance things, the figures aren’t the best now but removing ganking and wardec is a mistake that might lead to more confused newbees believing to have found Wonderland, because soon or later that they gained would be lost, to keep is the option, and perhaps add to it, not take from it , something obvious.

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**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/342 "2018-10-21T22:01:52Z")

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> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#):
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> It will go exactly the way you fear it will,

I think this may be the start of something I felt was going to happen at some point, if CCP ever truly looked hard at the condition of Hi Sec.

Hi Sec was far less dangerous when the game launched partly due to mechanics and partly due to player actions, but this has evolved over time to where Hi Sec could be considered the most dangerous space and it has been affecting player retention to some degree for a very long time. One only has to read the [old forums](https://oldforums.eveonline.com/) with an open mind to see it.

The pendulum has been swinging toward a more PvP-centric Hi Sec for over 12 years, partly due to game mechanics and partly due to player innovations, and CCP may be forced to look at this very closely in the next couple years, maybe as a result of the sale to a single gaming-oriented organization instead of several investors. Maybe they are being asked harder questions? I don’t know, but it seems something has changed rather dramatically.

I just hope they don’t go too far in the other direction. Granted I think the conditions in Hi Sec favor by far the PvP players, but they could go too far, too quick to fix it.

I only ask for my own personal [Q-Ship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship). ⛵

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/343 "2018-10-21T22:11:45Z")

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> [@Kieron\_VonDeux](#):
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> Hi Sec was far less dangerous when the game launched partly due to mechanics and partly due to player actions

You mean back when CONCORD could be tanked and one corp killed ALL the traffic coming trough?

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**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/344 "2018-10-21T22:12:29Z")

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> [@Kieron\_VonDeux](#):
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> I only ask for my own personal [Q-Ship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship). ⛵

Beyond combat nereus and battle venture fleets etc, that concept doesn’t really work in EvE ( other than the hulls it can currently be made to work for).

That’s for a separate thread anyway (and has already been done to death).

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**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/345 "2018-10-21T22:12:52Z")

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> [@Mortlake](#):
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> The level of entitlement displayed by some of you coupled with your inability to think creatively beggars belief.

Yes, like the ‘entitlement’ some people feel that they have the right to shoot fish in a barrel (the current boring wardec mechanic).

Im glad we agree that ‘entitlement’ by some people, ‘beggars belief’ and needs fixing. Finally, these wardec players will be forced to think ‘creatively’ in order to achieve their goals.

Welcome to our side of the argument, we welcome you with open arms. Let us all rise up against this creativity destroying, entitled game mechanic and bring it to an end.

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**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardec-nerf-incoming/114335/346 "2018-10-21T22:18:55Z")

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War dec should require having a flag citadel rig. These would require more fuel and during their vulnerability anyone can attack it and anyone goes suspect when moving close to it. Can only war dec corps with a structure within X LY from your flag structure. Can only have X flag rigs operational at one time. Declared wars end on next downtime when all target structures within range of your flag structure are destroyed.

Also being in a corporation that is war deccable should give increased LP rewards, decreased npc taxes etc to encourage use.

Oh also; reeeeeEEEEeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEE

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