# Wardecs are not the problem **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337 "2018-02-19T21:44:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/665 "2018-03-07T10:52:12Z")
It’s ok. Change sometimes scare people. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/667 "2018-03-07T12:17:00Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > No one can wardec anyone unless its pre approved by major dumbass over here. Only his rules allowed! I never said the box was required it could be optional, but I guess when you are spreewardeccing it would bother you to copy and paste a text of explaining your gameplay to your victims each time… ctrl-c, ctrl-v. Beats typing A 250 times but to each their level of ‘solving problems’. I see you resorted to insults, please be better than that, you \*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/668 "2018-03-07T13:20:46Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I think wardecs should have an infobox where players **_must_** type some sort of story behind the war just to add credibility and not just spam it all around. The more immersive the more fun! back tracking now? Putting in a ‘reason’ for decs has 2 possible purposes: 1- You want the reasons for decs to conform to your views and someone to police wardecs and their motives. 2- You want to add tedium to wardecs because you don’t like them. Or both. Corps can already explain their gameplay and already contact targets of wardecs if they want to. You think its an insult. Its more an accurate observation. Its the reason you propose ideas that are non-starters and then back track them into something that players already can and do do. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/669 "2018-03-07T13:35:40Z")
I’m gonna try to be less trolly, and more explanatory. The problem with your idea is that it’s either pointless, or it’s too restrictive. For the former, it would be pointless to require people to write an essay explaining the reason for their wardec because they can say anything, and it doesn’t make any difference to anything already happening. Hypothetical: I dec you, you ask me why, I make something up, or in your system, I dec you and make something up in the ‘reason why’ field. If you’re about to say, “well that’s okay, we’ll enforce reasons and connect them to objectives”, then you restrict gameplay. Part of why someone would make something up is subterfuge and/or psychological warfare. The moment you start enforcing reasons and connecting them to objectives, your enemy, the defender, they already know your every move. You become restricted by virtue of the enemy being forewarned and, by proxy, forearmed, against you. This is a bad idea for the same reason that threatening someone with something you’re actually going to do is a bad idea. If, for example, you say, “I’m coming to your house and I’m gonna kill you!”, then I either go somewhere else and call the cops, or I get my shotgun out and barricade the doors and windows, or I get the shotgun out and wait in ambush outside the house. Lots of different strategies available to me, and not many available to you, UNLESS your threat was a ruse. ie, you WANTED me out of the house because you knew where I’d go, or you WANTED me barricaded at home or lying in wait because you were actually going to be somewhere else entirely laughing your arse off at my paranoia. The reasons for war are virtually limitless. Giving those reasons away gives up any advantage an attacker might have, and as it is, a defender of a wardec already has the advantage. Without knowing or understanding an attacker’s objectives, which might not always be killing ships or structures, then a defender is kept on their toes. I understand the sentiment behind your idea. Trust me, I used to think the same way. But eventually you learn that EVE is a much more dynamic sociological experience than just “me wardec for ezpz blapzors on high sec nubs”. There are games within games within games being played amongst various people all the time, and that depth goes away with your idea when it’s taken to its only functional conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/670 "2018-03-07T13:41:16Z")
Lolwat Major is not my alt I was still sleeping 4h ago 😂😂😂😂 @Major_Errogance who said you were Ian? 😂😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/671 "2018-03-07T14:01:42Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > @Major_Errogance who said you were Ian? 😂😂😂😂 Nobody yet, but I don’t want my account closed like on the other ‘forum’ where I sent an image of a nude tattooed man with the phrase “Not Ian Black” somewhere around his center body to support… only to receive support mails (just the same default template) without a signature on all following communications… 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/672 "2018-03-07T14:03:48Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I’m gonna try I apreciate your lengthy and clear explanation. Not everything in EVE Online is self-explanatory. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > you propose ideas that are non-starters and then back track them Like how it works when discussing about ideas? Unless you never ever change opinion on anything… ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/673 "2018-03-07T14:08:13Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > Not everything in EVE Online is self-explanatory. I actually consider this a good thing. It’s like chess: you can learn the basic rules of the game, as complex as they can be at times, pretty easily, but the game itself will never teach you to strategise. It’ll never teach you how to get a three-move checkmate, or how to counter one. It’ll never teach you a bunch of things, things that you can only learn with experience. It emulates life like that, placing all the responsibility on you and your choices, which at the end of the day, is what makes your choices actually matter, not like some dialogue wheel in Mass Effect or Fallout with pre-scripted outcomes that gives you the illusion of choice. No, this game gives you real choice, with real potential for rewards, and real potential for real consequences for yourself and others. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/674 "2018-03-07T14:29:20Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I never said the box was required it could be optional, > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I think wardecs should have an infobox **where players must type** some sort of story behind the war just to add credibility and not just spam it all around. You are lying again, Dom and multi-alphaer. Must is a requirement. Its right there, in your own words. You’ve been busted as Dom, as a multi-alpha user and now as a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/675 "2018-03-07T14:37:41Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I never said the box was required it could be optional > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I think wardecs should have an infobox where players must type some sort of story behind the war just to add credibility and not just spam it all around. Posting ideas is one thing, but posting that idea and then saying… > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > It’s ok. Change sometimes scare people. Is deserving of contempt. Don’t pretend the whole reason you posted an asinine suggestion is not because you just don’t like wardecs. There was no sincere thought behind it. It’s like me saying; if i wardec you i should be able to force your ships out into open space whether you are logged on or not. Don’t like my idea? oh you’re just scared of change… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/676 "2018-03-07T15:19:35Z")
Look at this guys baldfaced outright lying: > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I think wardecs should have an infobox where players must type some sort of story behind the war vs > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > I never said the box was required it could be optional ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/677 "2018-03-07T15:19:57Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > if i wardec you i should be able to force your ships out into open space whether you are logged on or not. Why would I worry about that? It’s just your opinion, it’s not that you just wrote the code in Python and are hovering over the compile button?! CCP decides not me and certainly not you… ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/678 "2018-03-07T15:23:30Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Look at this guys baldfaced outright lying: OMG! I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AS A LIAR! On a sidenote, who cares? Seriously, give a list of non fictional persons that do. Also, it depends on the translation. You have been exposed as a person without teh ability to understand what people say. And presume your assumptions are what is meant. Again, your assumptions are your ideas/opinions and you are free to spout them on the internet as much as you want. It’s not because my idea is different than yours that you have to pm every GM to have me removed from the forums and chatrooms because of your superb “understanding things” and relativation skills. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/679 "2018-03-07T15:56:55Z")
You lied and contradicted yourself. I caught you and called you on it, That’s all there is to it. Own it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/680 "2018-03-07T16:15:10Z")
Worry? I’m giving you an example of a comparable absurdity. A sanity check. And showing your poor argument. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/681 "2018-03-07T16:23:37Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > it’s not that you just wrote the code in Python and are hovering over the compile button? Fail. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/682 "2018-03-07T18:16:59Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Fail. > > Stop running eve directly from the source code in an interpreter, use the launcher like other players. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/683 "2018-03-07T18:21:51Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > A sanity check That will totally fail with me, didn’t you read my other posts? I am at least 3 other people in the forums as your sane ‘friend’ will tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/684 "2018-03-07T18:29:43Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Worry? > > I’m giving you an example of a comparable absurdity. A sanity check. And showing your poor argument. It’s just a forum for suggestions. Not every post has to be perfect like I didn’t read the history of your totally ‘awesome’ posts. If you want better posts, go ahead and suggest a minimal quality of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337/685 "2018-03-07T18:41:54Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > Stop running eve directly from the source code in an interpreter, use the launcher like other players. The launcher doesn’t run the server code and the client isn’t compiled Python. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wardecs-are-not-the-problem/58337.md?page=26)